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The new playtest pdf does not say whether a Gunslinger starts with Ammunition for his gun, but the previous one did, is this a mistype or are they required to buy ammunition now?
Your best bet is to utilize the Round 2 Gunslinger message board for this kind of question. Nothing specific about Society play here.
Part of the trade off for making your own ammo was that you don't start with any.
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Round 1 you created a character with a musket who got 50 ammo.
Round 2 you don't get 50 ammo when you pick a musket. You aren't creating a new character in round 2 so it has no impact on the previous choice.
Round 1 you got two pistols.
Round 2 you get one. Does that mean I have to give one back or I have an extra one?
You can always read the stickied thread that Mark posted that contains the official rules for things like this.
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In this case, the second pistol is both equipment AND a class feature, so Mark's statement both is for and against keeping that second pistol.
Ammo from R1 remains, a second free gun does not. I'll try to anticipate these sorts of questions when the final rules come out so the Additional Resources page can include them instead of needing to be FAQd. So keep them coming as they arrise in the playtest, as it will help me look out for them when we have the final book done.
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In this case, the second pistol is both equipment AND a class feature, so Mark's statement both is for and against keeping that second pistol.Ammo from R1 remains, a second free gun does not. I'll try to anticipate these sorts of questions when the final rules come out so the Additional Resources page can include them instead of needing to be FAQd. So keep them coming as they arrise in the playtest, as it will help me look out for them when we have the final book done.
Thanks for the clarification :)
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Mark or Hyrum,
Just looking for a little clarification on the Additional Resources section about Gunslingers and Gunsmithing in Pathfinder Society.
The resource page says:
Only gunslingers may take the Gunsmithing feat, with the following changes: crafting firearms is not allowed, and instead of crafting ammunition, they are considered to purchase mundane bullets and paper cartridges at 10% of its normal price. In order to gain the benefit of this feat, a gunslinger must purchase a gunsmith’s kit. Ammunition gained in such a way can only be resold for half its discounted price.
So, "mundane bullets and cartridges" is where my questions come into play. I am looking for clarification on what it covers.
1) As written, it does NOT appear to cover the cost of Black Powder, which is the major expense for firing a gun with "normal" ammunition, at 10 GP per shot. If, actually, it is covered, then the cost drops to 1 GP per shot for Black Powder. Given that the Paper Cartridges, which also get the price reduction, include the Black Powder charge, I would hope so.2) It explicitly covers Firearm Bullets, so they cost 1 SP instead of 1 GP each.
3) Does the "paper cartridges" verbage apply solely to the specific item named Paper Cartridge, or does it cover all mundane paper cartridge (alchemical) loads like the Entangling Shot Cartridges, Flare Cartridges, and Salt Shot Cartridges since they are all defined as being:
Alchemical cartridges are prepared bundles of black powder and a bullet or shot, sometimes with more exotic material added, which are then wrapped in paper or cloth and sealed with beeswax, lard, or tallow.
Paper Cartridge: 12 GP reduced to 1 GP, 2 SP
Entangling Shot Cartridge: 40 GP, reduces to 4 GPFlare Cartridge: 20 GP, reduces to 2 GP
Salt Shot Cartridge: 12 GP, reduces to 1 GP, 2 SP
To be honest, I could see it going either way, or (my preference/opinion) actually covering only the Paper Cartridge and the Salt Shot Cartridge, with the other two not being qualified for the price reduction.
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Are Doubble Pistols legal for Society Play. Some in our loge think they are no longer leagal. Could I get some clairifaction please,
Assuming you mean the Pistol, Double Barrel: no.
As per the Additional Resources page: Only gunslingers may purchase guns in Pathfinder Society Organized Play, and only muskets, pepperboxes, and pistols are permitted in the campaign, as advanced firearms do not exist in Golarion.
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Are Doubble Pistols legal for Society Play. Some in our loge think they are no longer leagal. Could I get some clairifaction please,
If you are aking if Gunsligers get 2 weapons anymore, the answer is no... The new updated playtest only gives the Gunslinger 1 Pistol, those with 2 pistols from the original playtest need update the gunslinger to the new playtest and get rid of the second pistol. This is from Mark just above a few posts.
Ammo from R1 remains, a second free gun does not. I'll try to anticipate these sorts of questions when the final rules come out so the Additional Resources page can include them instead of needing to be FAQd. So keep them coming as they arrise in the playtest, as it will help me look out for them when we have the final book done.
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Doubble Pistols are not listed as advanced fire arms in the Revised Gunslinger class PDF. They are listed as standard firearms.
IMO the abatrainess of what can and can't be used in PFS needs to be eliminated. IMO if it is published in a Pazio book it should be legal'to play in PFS. I understand the CAP rule for high level magicbut for more mundane weapons and lower than EL 7 magic all should be legal for play. It would same Mark and his minions the trouble f 2 or more pages in the PFS guides of whats leagl from what book and what is not.
This would save PFS players alot of argument at the table. IF the Player can pull out a PAZIO BOOK or PDF and show the other players
at the table what he is using it should be legal.
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Doubble Pistols are not listed as advanced fire arms in the Revised Gunslinger class PDF. They are listed as standard firearms.
IMO the abatrainess of what can and can't be used in PFS needs to be eliminated. IMO if it is published in a Pazio book it should be legal'to play in PFS. I understand the CAP rule for high level magicbut for more mundane weapons and lower than EL 7 magic all should be legal for play. It would same Mark and his minions the trouble f 2 or more pages in the PFS guides of whats leagl from what book and what is not.
This would save PFS players alot of argument at the table. IF the Player can pull out a PAZIO BOOK or PDF and show the other players
at the table what he is using it should be legal.
First of all, it's a play test document you are talking about. So I'll sort of disagree with you there.
Second, the 3 firearms which are PFS legal are the same 3 (out of 4 listed) firearms in the Inner Sea Guide. These are the only firearms which exist in Golarion, and Mark already said for what should be obvious reasons, no cannon.
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IMO if it is published in a Pazio book it should be legal'to play in PFS.
That's never been the case.
Not everything that's in Pathfinder is good for an organized play environment. Nor is everything that's published in a Pathfinder rulebook something that exists in Golarion. Between these two restrictions, there'll ALWAYS be material in the rules, be it crafting magic items or some of the guns or whatever, that'll not be legal to play in the Pathfinder Society.
We try to limit those limitations, since obviously we want folks playing with the rules we create... but there are some cases where for the good of the org play environment (either due to balance or due to world theme and continuity) that we'll not allow rules in play.
Two things.
Ultimate Combat is setting neutral, so there will be plenty of stuff in it that will not apply to Golarion or the PFS.
And if there are only three personal firearms listed in the Inner Sea World Guide, then that is all you have to work with til Ultimate Combat does come out and there is the chance to have other, older-style guns added as legal for PFS play.
I'm unclear on one thing. The original print version of the Inner Sea World Guide mentions and stats the five shot Alkenstar revolver (http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Revolver) IIRC...this has not been retconned out of existence on Golarion, has it? It still exists on Golarion and is available (outside of PFS play) to those who can get their hands on it, or have I completely missed something?
Doug,
In the change from the Campaign Setting book and 3.5 rules to the Inner Sea World Guide and PRPG rules, Alkenstar probably got the most editing/updating/retconning. It is now a much younger country and the guns they make are no longer as advanced. So if you are playing in a game where the GM is going strictly "by the book" and Golarion canon, then there are no advanced firearms available, as they have not been invented yet, making revolvers no longer an option. And since the PFS campaign is run this way, they are not available there either. But as Eric said, if you are in a home game with a GM who modifies things, or who is not using Golarion for the setting, then whatever guns he wants to allow will be allowed.