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Four groups of adventurers were sent into the Stolen Lands. We know the fate of Baron Varn thanks to the Varnhold Vanishing (Kingmaker #33), and Baron Drelev thanks to Blood For Blood (Kingmaker #34), but unless I missed something the explorers of the Glenebon Uplands are simply forgotten.
Perhaps I've missed something, but I was curious as to what became of these intrepid explorers. My PCs should be finishing up Stolen Lands (Kingmaker #30) within the next month (hopefully). I'm going to run a Ball in Restov wherein the Barons will be receiving their new Charters and was wondering if perhaps the poor doomed Glenebon expedition had already met its fate (also whatever that fate was, as I'd like to pepper it into War of the River Kings).
They disappeared, and were never heard from again. Best guess is that they're buried in a shallow grave somewhere in the west, but they might be languishing (unmentioned) in Pitax's deepest dungeon.
If these guys are the "Iron Wraiths" [can't remember offhand if that's where they were sent] but I'm designing them as an NPC group [partly for completism and partly to build some APG characters], having the PC's brush shoulders with them very early doors and establish them as pretty nails...
This will hopefully up the impact of them then being wiped out by something or someone...
I'm planning to either incorposrate some of their gear as established treasure in KM or have a couple of new hex encounters dealing with the defeat of the Iron Wraiths...
Will add more to my thoughts once I'm home and have my notes in front of me...
I'd also been wondering idly about the fate of these much lauded "Iron Wraiths". Introducing them early as the big bada**es they're made out to be only to have them disappear sounds like a great opportunity to foreshadow later events. I'm curious to see what others develop for the AP.
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Thanks for this thread. I was wondering the same thing.
On a related note - I'm looking to introduce an NPC potential bride for the ruler in my campaign and was interested in linking her to being the daughter of one of the other 3 groups.
Which one do you suggest would have the greatest impact in the story if/when tragedy befalls these other groups - adding good story roleplaying development to the mix?
Also - where can I read about these Iron Wraiths you've mentioned? I don't remember seeing those yet.....
Robert
Also - where can I read about these Iron Wraiths you've mentioned? I don't remember seeing those yet.....
As far as I know, they're only given a passing mention in KM 1 on page 13. "The Swordlords sent a relatively experienced band of adventurers known as the Iron Wraiths into the Glenebon Uplands, charging them with purging the hills of the Tiger Lord barbarians and, eventually, to make diplomatic contact with Pitax to work out border issues."
A quick word search of all six modules shows this to be the only use of the word "wraith" in regards to these "experienced adventurers".
I can't remember which thread it was (probably one of the DM ones) where James Jacobs mentions that they swiftly met their end. The details were intentionally left out but that a DM could include details and their remains (as in equipment, etc.) in Pitax.
My PCs have met Varn and Drelev but never had the chance to meet these adventurers (though they know of their existance). I basically figured that they would not have survived their initial foray into the Glenebon Uplands.
Greetings, fellow travellers.
Interesting thread! I read like a couple of times KM#1, but these slipped my mind completely.
@Robert Brambley: I think there was at least one other thread, were somebody had a PC marry Maegar Varn - but reading your post again, that seems out of the question, maybe he as a sister...
I am playing with the idea of either having Lily Teskertin (#2) making an approach. Another idea would be Kisandra Numesti (#4, she's in love with Satinder, so you would have to change that) or I thought of Quintessa Maray (#4) - problem with both is, they are introduced quite late.
With the Iron Wraiths dead and the other being official bureaucrats from Brevoy, Maegar Varn (and his relatives) is the only one left.
Ruyan.
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Thanks for this thread. I was wondering the same thing.
On a related note - I'm looking to introduce an NPC potential bride for the ruler in my campaign and was interested in linking her to being the daughter of one of the other 3 groups.
Which one do you suggest would have the greatest impact in the story if/when tragedy befalls these other groups - adding good story roleplaying development to the mix?
Also - where can I read about these Iron Wraiths you've mentioned? I don't remember seeing those yet.....
Robert
I'm going to introduce Maegar Varn's daughter at the ball as a potential love interest. I'm also going to present Drelev, his general and the general's lovely daughters (including one very tomboyish one who will appear later in the campaign).
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@Robert Brambley: I think there was at least one other thread, were somebody had a PC marry Maegar Varn
There was another thread about "here comes the bride" or something to that nature. That's probably what you're referring to.
- but reading your post again, that seems out of the question,
Why is it out of the question?
With the Iron Wraiths dead and the other being official bureaucrats from Brevoy, Maegar Varn (and his relatives) is the only one left.
It's only out of the question if I follow the write-up verbait - which I never do.
I can easily adjust the story to include one or the other having a girl coming of age and a diplomatic marriage to tie the nations closer together.
So the question remains - which of the two nations would be better to unite them with the players kingdom and have such an ally - and which would make a bigger sting if/when things go wrong as planned.
I only ask for I have just started reading book 3 on my own. The players are currently a third of the way finished w/ book 2.
Robert
The Duke has married Megar Varns sister in our campaign
last session they also had a son born (a half elf!)
Lily has also married the Royal assassin in ours, and had a daughter. They all live in a nice 'guild' house. It is the quietest baby you can imagine!
I had utterly forgotten about the other group, so can now place some thought toward them.
good thread
Eventually, the PCs are going to annex the three other fledgeling kingdoms in the Stolen Lands, anyhow (and Pitax, too) - if you follow the written AP.
I was referring to this thread.
[quote=] RuyanVe wrote:
- but reading your post again, that seems out of the question,
Why is it out of the question?
Simply, because you were asking for a bride and Maegar Varn doesn't fit the bill exactly, but that is only assuming you are looking for a female bride - sorry if I was making the wrong assumptions.
I think the biggest impact would have a connection gone wrong to Varnhold. This could mean a war on two fronts for #5.
Ruyan.
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Eventually, the PCs are going to annex the three other fledgeling kingdoms in the Stolen Lands, anyhow (and Pitax, too) - if you follow the written AP.
I was referring to this thread.
[quote=] RuyanVe wrote:
- but reading your post again, that seems out of the question,
Why is it out of the question?
Simply, because you were asking for a bride and Maegar Varn doesn't fit the bill exactly, but that is only assuming you are looking for a female bride - sorry if I was making the wrong assumptions.
I think the biggest impact would have a connection gone wrong to Varnhold. This could mean a war on two fronts for #5.
Ruyan.
No you're not making the wrong assumptions. We usually play on the up and up when it comes to that.
That being said - I guess my biggest confusion was why would Varn having a daughter being married to the ruler of the PC kingdom (for the purpose of uniting kingdoms) be a problem?
From what I thought I understood:
The people of Varn up and dissappear one day and are gone - without a trace. Why would they care that the PCs kingdom are now annexing the territory?
Robert
For uniting their kingdoms, marrying a/the daughter of Maegar Varn would be a big plus, I think, but that assumes everything goes well.
But what if - somehow - Varnhold sides with Pitax; than things will get interesting, that's what I ment with "connection gone wrong".
Maybe the daughter holds grudges against the PCs (including her PC-husband)
Ah, must resist evil plot-twist *grin*
Ruyan.
From The Varnhold Vanishing, p51, "Self-proclaimed King Irrovetti of Pitax has already defeated and displaced the Brevic agents that dared attempt to colonize the Glenebon Uplands and the Slough"
The Slough would be Drelev, but presumably the Glenebon Uplands refers to the Iron Wraiths...so finding evidence of their fate in Pitax seems appropriate.