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I originally asked about this in the PF1 General Discussion forum, but I just now realized it was probably better to ask my question in this forum as it's not PF1 specific.
So...
What’s the difference between a “vaneo” (as in Vaneo Drovenge) and a “vira” (as in Vira Oberigo)?
It sounds like one might be bigger than the other or one might have walls and the other doesn’t, or perhaps there are other differences. I don’t know for sure.
Can I get a little help (hopefully from a Paizo person, but not totally necessary) with this?
Thank you.
While not a Paizo person, I don't think there's a major (or even necessarily any) difference between them.
They're likely two different names for similar or even identical types of noble house, in the way that British great houses have names like Burghley House, Castle Howard, or Woburn Abbey while all having the same function of housing aristocrats in frivolously luxurious fashion.
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Those are largely words that we've not really done much with since Council of Thieves (which happened at a time when we were still sorting out the balance between using real words and made-up words for in-world content—the confusion this still causes well over a decade later is why we've pulled back on doing too many word replacements like this), but looking at the Westcrown Glossary on page 50 of Pathfidner #25, "Bastards of Erebus", I'd say the difference is:
Vaneo: A regional synonym for "mansion." (The building the nobles live in.)
Vira: A regional synonym for "estate" or "property." (The plot of land that the nobles own and that is where the vaneo is located.)
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Those are largely words that we've not really done much with since Council of Thieves (which happened at a time when we were still sorting out the balance between using real words and made-up words for in-world content—the confusion this still causes well over a decade later is why we've pulled back on doing too many word replacements like this), but looking at the Westcrown Glossary on page 50 of Pathfidner #25, "Bastards of Erebus", I'd say the difference is:
Vaneo: A regional synonym for "mansion." (The building the nobles live in.)
Vira: A regional synonym for "estate" or "property." (The plot of land that the nobles own and that is where the vaneo is located.)
So if I understand you properly, you’re saying a Vaneo is just a mansion or large house that can have very close neighbors.
A Vira is an estate (probably with a wall surrounding the grounds) with a mansion built somewhere on the grounds.
Ok. Thanks!
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Those are largely words that we've not really done much with since Council of Thieves (which happened at a time when we were still sorting out the balance between using real words and made-up words for in-world content—the confusion this still causes well over a decade later is why we've pulled back on doing too many word replacements like this), but looking at the Westcrown Glossary on page 50 of Pathfidner #25, "Bastards of Erebus", I'd say the difference is:
Vaneo: A regional synonym for "mansion." (The building the nobles live in.)
Vira: A regional synonym for "estate" or "property." (The plot of land that the nobles own and that is where the vaneo is located.)So if I understand you properly, you’re saying a Vaneo is just a mansion or large house that can have very close neighbors.
A Vira is an estate (probably with a wall surrounding the grounds) with a mansion built somewhere on the grounds.
Ok. Thanks!
Yup. And that's why these days we'd just say "mansion" and "estate grounds" rather than make up words. Made-up words are fun and can help to world build, for sure, but it's really easy to overdo it.
Keep that variant of bread "bread", unless that bread bestows telepathy, then coin a new word. -O.S. Card, maybe (and paraphrased)
So yeah, keeping English names is a speculative fiction guideline. It's not like they're talking in English either, so there's no clear delineation if one starts down this path, unless of course it doesn't exist in English.