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With the month one-third of the way done has anyone heard ANY news on this Fall Errata we were told we would get that would fix man issues. Like Kineticist and Mythic or just a lot of problems like Rogues crit succeeding on all 3 saves at level 17?
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I suspect Michael Sayre's disappearance from the all employee masthead on this playtest has something to do with the delay in the errata. IIRC he was in charge of the rules side developers.
Wait really!?
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Releasing a playtest with a class feature like Master of Life and Death that suffers from the same problems that we saw in July with Oracle (in terms of how void/vitality effects target and the problems that causes) before an errata to address those problems is definitely a choice.
I really don't know what's going on lately, but there's a fair bit of stuff that needs errata and IMO that should have been the priority over a playtest.
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Can we be certain it was a choice of one over the other? Do we know if there's much overlap between the errata team and the playtest team?
Michael Sayre has definitely left Paizo, I am sure that has interfered in the Errata plans.
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Whatever book this playtest feeds into has presumably been cooking for some time, so it's entirely possible they couldn't delay the playtest even if they wanted to without disrupting the book's planned release schedule.
That is FAR more impactful than a batch of errata needing to be delayed, so it makes sense to me why the playtest would be given priority - assuming the decisions on release timing for either are even connected in the first place, which is an assumption I'm dubious on.
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Paizo posted in a comment on Facebook that the errata is coming on the 16th. So not much longer on that. :)
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Paizo posted in a comment on Facebook that the errata is coming on the 16th. So not much longer on that. :)
Huzzah! Now we can prepare to complain about what's in it/not in it instead of complaining it isn't coming :P
Seriously though I'm glad it's coming there's a couple holes that need plugging.
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If Michael Sayre has left Paizo I think that explains the delays that were likely happening with the errata.
I hope everythings okay for him.
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Paizo posted in a comment on Facebook that the errata is coming on the 16th. So not much longer on that. :)
Excellent! Fingers crossed that they clarify the Grandeur cause reaction duration. :)
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We do know it's almost half of December and we don't have a 'fall' errata. Unless of course equinoxes and solstices theory is correct and it's fall until 21st of December.
Seems like Paizo did indeed hew to the official end of fall.
But it is coming, hope they fixed the Kineticist problem! The poor Kineticist getting the short end of the stick was far to long despite it being a good class concept! Next week here we come!!!
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Michael Sayre has definitely left Paizo, I am sure that has interfered in the Errata plans.I'll be honest, the loss of him and Mark Seifter really doesn't fill me with confidence in the system's direction.
A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.
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A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.Michael Sayre has definitely left Paizo, I am sure that has interfered in the Errata plans.I'll be honest, the loss of him and Mark Seifter really doesn't fill me with confidence in the system's direction.
I think we need to get your profile avatar a little doom prophet sandwich board.
I think we need to get your profile avatar a little doom prophet sandwich board.
Rainment of the Herald of Groetus, perhaps?
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I think we need to get your profile avatar a little doom prophet sandwich board.A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.Michael Sayre has definitely left Paizo, I am sure that has interfered in the Errata plans.I'll be honest, the loss of him and Mark Seifter really doesn't fill me with confidence in the system's direction.
This was said in a kind-hearted jest voice. I should have (:p)’d it.
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I'm surprised we have no communication about the errata. It erodes trust when you promise something and then fail to deliver it. It erodes trust even faster when you're silent the entire time.
We are sorry for the delay on this communication! The errata will be released on 12/16 actually, so just a few more days.
We do know it's almost half of December and we don't have a 'fall' errata. Unless of course equinoxes and solstices theory is correct and it's fall until 21st of December.Seems like Paizo did indeed hew to the official end of fall.
Yes, we did!
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On the other side of things, all the new Tian Xia content has this year has been *stellar*. The Tian Xia World Guide is one of the best RPG books I've read in years.
For sure. Tien Xia Character Guide was pretty great as well! Definitely the highlights of the year for me from Paizo.
PC2 and War of Immortals were a letdown, though. There's a fair bit riding on this errata for me personally, in terms of how I view how things are going. Because I definitely feel like there was too many books in 2024 and the quality in the second half of the year suffered for it.
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This was said in a kind-hearted jest voice. I should have (:p)’d it.
I think we need to get your profile avatar a little doom prophet sandwich board.
For what it's worth, it certainly made me chuckle.
If there were such an avatar image, I'd might have switched to it after seeing your comment.
Gotta' live up to the "raving" part of my name from time to time. :P
I'm surprised we have no communication about the errata. It erodes trust when you promise something and then fail to deliver it. It erodes trust even faster when you're silent the entire time.We are sorry for the delay on this communication! The errata will be released on 12/16 actually, so just a few more days.
Yes, we did!We do know it's almost half of December and we don't have a 'fall' errata. Unless of course equinoxes and solstices theory is correct and it's fall until 21st of December.Seems like Paizo did indeed hew to the official end of fall.
Nice to see it actually is coming.
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On the other side of things, all the new Tian Xia content has this year has been *stellar*. The Tian Xia World Guide is one of the best RPG books I've read in years.
Yup, the only "flaw" of the Tian Xia books is that they aren't even longer. It's good to see that the region books are still so good.
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Nice to see it actually is coming.I'm surprised we have no communication about the errata. It erodes trust when you promise something and then fail to deliver it. It erodes trust even faster when you're silent the entire time.We are sorry for the delay on this communication! The errata will be released on 12/16 actually, so just a few more days.
Yes, we did!We do know it's almost half of December and we don't have a 'fall' errata. Unless of course equinoxes and solstices theory is correct and it's fall until 21st of December.Seems like Paizo did indeed hew to the official end of fall.
Yes, it is! Again, sorry about the delay, but thanks for letting us know how you felt about it regardless!
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A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.Michael Sayre has definitely left Paizo, I am sure that has interfered in the Errata plans.I'll be honest, the loss of him and Mark Seifter really doesn't fill me with confidence in the system's direction.
I really don't think that's a fair response to someone leaving for unknown reasons. Micheal obviously did great work but to suggest everything is going to decline because he left just seems disrespectful.
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I really don't think that's a fair response to someone leaving for unknown reasons. Micheal obviously did great work but to suggest everything is going to decline because he left just seems disrespectful.A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.Michael Sayre has definitely left Paizo, I am sure that has interfered in the Errata plans.I'll be honest, the loss of him and Mark Seifter really doesn't fill me with confidence in the system's direction.
I can understand where they might be coming from. As an aging gamer I know I have experienced once beloved developers become shells of what they were after the talent that helped define their initial success moved on to other opportunities.
All of that said I do agree with you in saying that it's disrespectful to call doom and gloom. We can't see the future, maybe it will be bad, but it could also be that great things are on the way too.
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A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.I really don't think that's a fair response to someone leaving for unknown reasons. Micheal obviously did great work but to suggest everything is going to decline because he left just seems disrespectful.Not by itself it's not.
But it's not just Sayre is it? It's Seifter and others as well. When your most talented people are jumping ship (or being thrown off) then that's a real bad sign that something in the company isn't right.
Tack on some of the poor policy decisions in the last couple years along with several broken promises to the consumers and all of the hurdles imposed by the OGL legal war with Hasbro and you have more than enough signs to warrant such a doom and gloom outlook.
Several broken promises? I know about the scuffle over oracles and PFS, what are the others?
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Several broken promises? I know about the scuffle over oracles and PFS, what are the others?A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.I really don't think that's a fair response to someone leaving for unknown reasons. Micheal obviously did great work but to suggest everything is going to decline because he left just seems disrespectful.Not by itself it's not.
But it's not just Sayre is it? It's Seifter and others as well. When your most talented people are jumping ship (or being thrown off) then that's a real bad sign that something in the company isn't right.
Tack on some of the poor policy decisions in the last couple years along with several broken promises to the consumers and all of the hurdles imposed by the OGL legal war with Hasbro and you have more than enough signs to warrant such a doom and gloom outlook.
Never forget, never forgive Meld Into Eidolon.
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Never forget, never forgive Meld Into Eidolon.Several broken promises? I know about the scuffle over oracles and PFS, what are the others?A year ago I warned of dark times ahead. I suspect this is just the beginning of the decline.I really don't think that's a fair response to someone leaving for unknown reasons. Micheal obviously did great work but to suggest everything is going to decline because he left just seems disrespectful.Not by itself it's not.
But it's not just Sayre is it? It's Seifter and others as well. When your most talented people are jumping ship (or being thrown off) then that's a real bad sign that something in the company isn't right.
Tack on some of the poor policy decisions in the last couple years along with several broken promises to the consumers and all of the hurdles imposed by the OGL legal war with Hasbro and you have more than enough signs to warrant such a doom and gloom outlook.
What happened there?
I'm not asking these questions to be funny, I genuinely want to know so I can make up my own mind. Outside of mythic not being what people expected and remastered oracle and wizard not being great I really can't think of what people are referring to with "broken promises"| 4 people marked this as a favorite. |
Off the top of my head, they also said they were going to update the website, start releasing more regular errata, and make the wizard great in the Remaster.
There's also been several unfulfilled "this [game element] will get fixed soon" comments over the years.
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Off the top of my head, they also said they were going to update the website, start releasing more regular errata, and make the wizard great in the Remaster.
There's also been several unfulfilled "this [game element] will get fixed soon" comments over the years.
The regular errata is the 1/quarter thing, isn't it? But point taken.
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I miss Mark Siefter. Everything else aside he just seemed like a fun dude and it was good to see him become more and more comfortable in video interactions.
Plus his explanations of why usually resonated well with my autistic mind.
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Off the top of my head, they also said they were going to update the website, start releasing more regular errata, and make the wizard great in the Remaster.
There's also been several unfulfilled "this [game element] will get fixed soon" comments over the years.
TBT it is not anything new for Paizo. I have witnessed it since 2009.
If anything, I feel it is less than it was in the past, but there might be a recent resurgence.
Here's hoping it will not last.
Farewell, Michael Sayre, and thanks for all you gave us.
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Still waiting for that Paizo VTT! :p
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The regular errata is the 1/quarter thing, isn't it? But point taken.
I'm also not terribly happy about some of the recent stuff but, we'll see, I guess.
Errata policy was said to be spring & fall. As the errata is coming Monday, they're going to stick to that. The obvious downside to that being stuff like Oracle spells in PC2 having to wait months for an official update, but I think everyone is just using the PFS ruling at this point anyway.
It was basically a "we want to do this, but need a good place for it" in 2020 during the playtest for the Summoner. At this point I figure it's just not happening.Edit: found the quote, it was in the playtest aftermath blog post discussion.
It became clear that the full concept deserves to be given some significant space to stretch its wings (a la class archetype with all the adjustments spelled out and feats that are specific to the synthesist character only), and the summoner has a set number of pages. In the end, trying to squeeze it in instead of more summoner options in general would be a disservice to both. I'm very excited about getting it out there when we have a good book to include it!Link to post
There was a lot of this around Secrets of Magic. Inner Radiance Torrent was deemed to scale too fast and we were told it would be fixed in errata. PFS made it limited (and thus basically unusuable) until that errata.
There's still been no real errata for Secrets of Magic at all. Hell, the only finally fixed Arcane Cascade when they did the remaster changes*. I'm not sure what makes SoM in particular so radioactive in terms of errata, but it's been over 3 years now so I'm not confident it'll ever happen.
* For those unaware, Arcane Cascade didn't work RAW, at all. As soon as you put it up, you no longer met the requirements and thus it would immediately go down. Obviously that wasn't intended and no one ran it that way, even in PFS. But it was obviously broken and it took over 2 years and the remaster update to finally get an errata to fix it officially.
I don't remember the original wording for Arcwn Cascade and now I do just to see if this is right, the only thing I want is a Meld into Eidolon Class Archetype for Summonert that allows them to cast magic still while being their Eidolon...But that is just me.
My biggest hope is they actually nerf Rogue from critical succeeding all 3 saves starting level 17 and they hold onto their promise for Kineticist .
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"[X Product/Game/Company] is dead/dying/ect." is like the oldest adage in internet fandom and is almost never actually true - change, sure, but that's not the same, and a healthy anything is a balance of retention vs. acquisition.
Also, in game dev across the board, turnover is pretty high (usually people leave after say a project or a few projects) and even when everything is going well, it still happens. Plus, people who aren't 'plugged in' probably don't even know who makes the game they play. All the best to Michael Sayre.
I'm sure Paizo is fine - and the game will be fine.
Anyway, glad to see the errata coming soon.