Can you by RAW strap multiple bucklers to your forearm?


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Is there any rule that RAW stops me from strapping multiple bucklers to my forearm?


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You could but what would be the benefit?

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Bluemagetim wrote:
You could but what would be the benefit?

I would assume that it would be to shield block and still having buckler unbroken to raise and shield block later one. xD


Lej wrote:
Is there any rule that RAW stops me from strapping multiple bucklers to my forearm?

Neither the Worn rule or the free hand rules stop you. Encumberance rules aren't going to bite for a long time.

Take as many as your GM will let you have. I think most GM will put some limits on the numbers - at least on how many you can use.


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Gortle wrote:
Lej wrote:
Is there any rule that RAW stops me from strapping multiple bucklers to my forearm?

Neither the Worn rule or the free hand rules stop you. Encumberance rules aren't going to bite for a long time.

Take as many as your GM will let you have. I think most GM will put some limits on the numbers - at least on how many you can use.

Usage for bucklers is "strapped to 1 hand" and shields notes that they are "strapped to your forearm" so I think most DM's would limit it to 1 as the logistics of properly strapping it in both places makes multiple bucklers unlikely. And with its usage being something other than "worn", and it being called out as wielded, it fits more into the Held category like a Gauntlet that lists 1 hand required to wield and would prohibit wielding 2 on one hand.


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graystone wrote:
Usage for bucklers is "strapped to 1 hand" and shields notes that they are "strapped to your forearm" so I think most DM's would limit it to 1 as the logistics of properly strapping it in both places makes multiple bucklers unlikely. And with its usage being something other than "worn", and it being called out as wielded, it fits more into the Held category like a Gauntlet that lists 1 hand required to wield and would prohibit wielding 2 on one hand.

I'll agree that is the intent. But that isn't the RAW.

The Buckler does not have "Usage: strapped to 1 hand". Its description says "It's typically made of steel and strapped to your forearm."

The Raise a Shield action does require you to be wielding the Buckler, but there is nothing in either the wielding rules or the Buckler that prevents having 6 more bucklers strapped to that same arm while wielding one of them. You aren't holding any of those other bucklers in that hand.

Which is bizarre to describe and I wouldn't allow it. But that is what RAW reads as.


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Ignoring the obvious problems of not having a "regular" weapon, it seems like you could use a buckler in each hand, and have a shield strapped to each forearm. So you could have 2 bucklers, and 2 shields.

Edit: Looks like bucklers aren't used in hand, so my above statement isn't correct. It'll depend on how many the GM lets you strap to your arm.


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The other thing is what action would you require to enable the second strapped buckler. I would imagine its not doing any good in the place its strapped and would need an interact to adjust it for normal use.


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Finoan wrote:
The Buckler does not have "Usage: strapped to 1 hand". Its description says "It's typically made of steel and strapped to your forearm."

Look at any of the magic bucklers: every Remaster one lists that Usage and Usage is how one must hold/wear the item for use. This was changed for the Remaster as before it listed "Useage held in 1 hand" like other shields.

Example: Floating Shield


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graystone wrote:
Finoan wrote:
The Buckler does not have "Usage: strapped to 1 hand". Its description says "It's typically made of steel and strapped to your forearm."

Look at any of the magic bucklers: every Remaster one lists that Usage and Usage is how one must hold/wear the item for use. This was changed for the Remaster as before it listed "Useage held in 1 hand" like other shields.

Example: Floating Shield

Well that's awkward, because the base remastered buckler does mention being strapped to the arm, but the magical bucklers all mention about being used in hand.

Which, historical actual bucklers were used in hand, whereas shield used both your hand and forearm because they were bigger. Although You could drop your grip on your shield to temporarily use the hand for something else but needed to grip it to block effectively.

So kind of a conflict in the rule between base buckler and magic bucklers, although I think the intention is probably all buckler should be used in hand.


Claxon wrote:
Well that's awkward, because the base remastered buckler does mention being strapped to the arm, but the magical bucklers all mention about being used in hand.

I think they worded it strapped to a hand vs held in hand so that it would work similar to freehand weapons.


I'll add the question, can you strap a buckler onto an arm that's already got a shield on it?


Unikatze wrote:
I'll add the question, can you strap a buckler onto an arm that's already got a shield on it?

Can you? I'm sure you CAN but as to it having any effect, I doubt it. It's similar to 'can you wear a buckler over a Gauntlet Bow. I'm sure you can, but I wouldn't expect it to work out for you.

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RAW doesn't apply the buckler rule language is a complete mess, as has been observed here, the only "RAW" that can be leaned on is rule 0 because of the various contradictions, lack of mechanically denied terms, and inconsistencies.


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Any sort of item combination that requires you to wear a bunch of the same thing invites the GM to step in and say "no, just no."

Like you might be able to wear two magic hats and a magic headband, since a headband can go under the cowl and the helmet can go over the cowl. But if you want to wear 8 magic hats in some sort of pendulous hat-tower, expect a GM to stop you. And "by RAW" is not a defense against "no, you can't wear that many hats, the ones on top are going to keep falling off."

The game rules, after all, are to allow the simulation to be something that can easily exist in multiple people's imaginations. If you're strapping several bucklers to your arm, I would have questions about how you are bending your elbow and whether you can actually use that arm productively in combat.


graystone wrote:

Look at any of the magic bucklers: every Remaster one lists that Usage and Usage is how one must hold/wear the item for use. This was changed for the Remaster as before it listed "Useage held in 1 hand" like other shields.

Example: Floating Shield

That is a fantastic argument for not allowing multiple Magic Bucklers on one arm. Fully agree with that.

It doesn't change how the non-magical Buckler item works. Because that item still doesn't list 'Usage: strapped to one hand'.

Probably because none of the basic shield items have a Usage line at all. But things that aren't written still aren't RAW.


Finoan wrote:
It doesn't change how the non-magical Buckler item works. Because that item still doesn't list 'Usage: strapped to one hand'.

I'd disagree in that none of the magic items I know of differ from their non-magic counterparts in usage. You wear a cloak, hat or boots magic or not: I would make no sense for a magic buckler to need strapped to a hand but not non-magical ones.

Finoan wrote:
Probably because none of the basic shield items have a Usage line at all.

Like a lot of the game, non-magic items can be ambiguous. And if we're being technical, buckler never removes the shields need to be held in one hand: it only says a buckler doesn’t take up your hand. This can work like free-hand, where you're counted as held in one hand but doesn't take it up.


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The reason I would want to strap on as many bucklers as possible is to have places to mount spell hearts.


Finoan wrote:
graystone wrote:

Look at any of the magic bucklers: every Remaster one lists that Usage and Usage is how one must hold/wear the item for use. This was changed for the Remaster as before it listed "Useage held in 1 hand" like other shields.

Example: Floating Shield

That is a fantastic argument for not allowing multiple Magic Bucklers on one arm. Fully agree with that.

It doesn't change how the non-magical Buckler item works. Because that item still doesn't list 'Usage: strapped to one hand'.

Probably because none of the basic shield items have a Usage line at all. But things that aren't written still aren't RAW.

I mean, that's a really odd statement? Slot requirements are only on magical items, sure, but the natural language of the non-magical buckler implies you can only have one per arm anyway. You might as well ask if you can wear all five kinds of clothing simultaneously; sure, the non-magical items don't explicitly say you can't, but if the magical versions aren't enough proof, what more do you need?


The Ronyon wrote:

The reason I would want to strap on as many bucklers as possible is to have places to mount spell hearts.

Which one specifically? The ones I saw and know are all attached to an armor or a weapon. Bucklers (and shields in general) are neither.

Well, there are shield attachments which are weapons. So maybe you are using these?
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Also there's a problem with spellhearts. The rules on them don't tell any requirements for their usage. There is only a vague reference to talismans which say: "You must be wielding or wearing an item to activate a talisman attached to it." So, can you have 5 slings worn with spellhearts attached and use their cantrips and other spells at will? And use their weapon abilities after that, like Perfect Droplet's turning to mist?

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