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It sounds like The game has a bright future. What form that future will be like exactly is hard to tell, but I see no reason to fear Starfinder going away. Here is the best insight that we have so far. The part on Starfinder starts around 48:30 minutes.
Erik Mona starts by saying, Ask me that question again in a few weeks, then goes on to give some hints.
Chat With Paizo’s Chief Creative Officer Erik Mona About ORC .
In the video, Erik Mona says some of the conversations he's had about Startfinder in the last year are the most exciting in his career. I suspect we'll get more news once the ORC is written. It sounds like they want the ORC draft ready in February. This lines up with Erik saying ask me again in a few weeks.
The next hard-cover rule book comes out in May, and it looks awesome.
Ports of Call.
I'm skipping Ports of Call, the first SF book I do that. Just nothing in the description that interests me - fluff, NPCs, throwaway adventures, etc.
I imagine SF2 is probably in the works, to match all the excitement.
After looking at that video, I would not dump a bunch of money on starfinder books. I would however pick up the core rules and read Archives of nethys for the rest.
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I'm skipping Ports of Call, the first SF book I do that. Just nothing in the description that interests me - fluff, NPCs, throwaway adventures, etc.
I imagine SF2 is probably in the works, to match all the excitement.
What, not even the map of the galaxy? xD Every space setting needs good galaxy map
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What, not even the map of the galaxy? xD Every space setting needs good galaxy map
I thought half the point of the drift was not needing one of those.
I mean.. worst comes to worst they could spin starfinder off onto its own thing , pay paizo to develop the setting for it, claim 750,001 dollars in profit and send WOTC a dime every year.
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I thought half the point of the drift was not needing one of those.
What, not even the map of the galaxy? xD Every space setting needs good galaxy map
Half the point of the new drift lanes connecting specific planets is to appease the crowd who wanted one anyway.
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Half the point of the new drift lanes connecting specific planets is to appease the crowd who wanted one anyway.I thought half the point of the drift was not needing one of those.
What, not even the map of the galaxy? xD Every space setting needs good galaxy map
And the other half was to accommodate space piracy.
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Alright resume purchasing!
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Starfinder will continue pour the next 4 years at least. In the meantime, they should consider the following:
- archetypes based on the Pathfinder classes (at least for missing ones)
- a closer look at the Azlanti Star Empire (similar to hot they presented the Veskalium)
- a closer look at the Swarm's homeworld
- a MUCH closer look at Absolom Station, being the hubworld for PCs 99% of the time (similar to how WotC presented Eberron's city of Sharn)
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I thought half the point of the drift was not needing one of those.
What, not even the map of the galaxy? xD Every space setting needs good galaxy map
Yep and we were missing out on fun of having galaxy map ;D Its nice for world building x'D
(but yeah its weird to realize how some parts of pre drift 2.0 existed for purpose of kitchen sink scifi, but didn't make sense due to drift existing, like space piracy not having died out due to being economically unviable ._. )
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My hope is they leave some systems parts of a greater kitchen sink while others get connected with drift lanes giving us both styles of play. It's possible some systems might only be connected to one other system and not part of a greater chain of systems linked by drift lanes.
The first two things I'm looking for when I first open the map are if the Azlanti Star Empire and Swarm's homeworld have drift lanes to other systems.
Besides the new drift lanes, I'm excited to see the 10 highly detailed spaceports and settlements. Home is where you park your spaceship, and this book is giving us some parking lots at last, with what looks like NPC and side quest to go with them. This book could set a standard for building spaceports that lead us to see more of them in other books or APs.
I'm hoping the Expanded downtime rules, new starship options, and a cargo subsystem add more flavor and function to having your spaceship as a base of operations.
Any feedback on where Starfinder is going with respect to the ORC licensing?
Starfinder will enter the Age of the ORC, but that might be a year out yet. When that happens, we know we're going to see some kind of big shakeup of the status quo on Apostae.
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Starfinder will enter the Age of the ORC, but that might be a year out yet. When that happens, we know we're going to see some kind of big shakeup of the status quo on Apostae.i suspect SF 2E will be MUCH further out than a year. Probably more like 3 or 4.
It's out in 2025 :)
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Alright halt purchasing.
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Have none of y’all ever played a Pokémon game? They work best in pairs.
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Starfinder, as its own separate game is seemingly going to end in 2025.
Not trying to exagerate or be extremist about it. It's just fairly evident whatever SF2 will end up being, it's not a fully realised system but an add on for PF2.
This line has been parroted by so many people already, and it's total bunk.
SF2 is going to have its own books, you won't need to own or even see a PF2 book in order to play it. It's going to have its own classes, spells, subsystems, traits, and everything else needed to fulfill the Starfinder fantasy. Playing anything from PF2 will need explicit GM permission. There will be entirely different metas, assumptions, and worldbuilding.
The fact that it's using the same (excellent!) rules chassis as PF2 does not mean it can't be its own game. It just brings a whole slew of side benefits.
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Starfinder, as its own separate game is seemingly going to end in 2025.
Not trying to exagerate or be extremist about it. It's just fairly evident whatever SF2 will end up being, it's not a fully realised system but an add on for PF2.
Starfinder will have its own core rulebook that will let you play the entire system on its own.
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The fact that it's using the same (excellent!) rules chassis as PF2 does not mean it can't be its own game. It just brings a whole slew of side benefits.
that's literally it not being its own game tho. It's a campaign setting for an already existing (excellent!) rules chassis.
also, yeah of course it's going to have its own core rulebook to include new classes, feats, heritages, etc. Maybe it will even reprint the core rules so you don't have to flip between books too!
that doesn't make its own game tho
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You'll look really silly if that Core Rulebook is, indeed, a core rulebook with all the rules in there, you realise that?
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The fact that it's using the same (excellent!) rules chassis as PF2 does not mean it can't be its own game. It just brings a whole slew of side benefits.
that's literally it not being its own game tho. It's a campaign setting for an already existing (excellent!) rules chassis.
also, yeah of course it's going to have its own core rulebook to include new classes, feats, heritages, etc. Maybe it will even reprint the core rules so you don't have to flip between books too!
that doesn't make its own game tho
If that's your definition of a campaign setting, then it is >extremely< outside the norm for campaign settings to the point that it stretches your own definition to meaninglessness. If I were told we were using a campaign setting and I had to buy three new core rule books and I wasn't allowed to use any content from the "base game" without explicit GM consent I would not hesitate to say "That's a new game, not a campaign setting."
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You'll look really silly if that Core Rulebook is, indeed, a core rulebook with all the rules in there, you realise that?
Like I said, I fully expect to see the reprinted rules from PF2e in the book to avoid having to flip between books.
If that's your definition of a campaign setting, then it is >extremely< outside the norm for campaign settings to the point that it stretches your own definition to meaninglessness. If I were told we were using a campaign setting and I had to buy three new core rule books and I wasn't allowed to use any content from the "base game" without explicit GM consent I would not hesitate to say "That's a new game, not a campaign setting."The fact that it's using the same (excellent!) rules chassis as PF2 does not mean it can't be its own game. It just brings a whole slew of side benefits.
that's literally it not being its own game tho. It's a campaign setting for an already existing (excellent!) rules chassis.
also, yeah of course it's going to have its own core rulebook to include new classes, feats, heritages, etc. Maybe it will even reprint the core rules so you don't have to flip between books too!
that doesn't make its own game tho
I don't know what to tell you, if two games are fully compatible to the point where the only reason why I can't freely use options from one on the other is "not setting appropriate" then clearly it's not two mechanically different games, it's two settings sharing the same core rules.
Let me level with y'all. I'm saying something that is pretty much the truth as I understand it: Starfinder 2 will use the Pathfinder 2 core rules, to say something that sounds very negative (although equally not untrue) : Starfinder 2 isn't it's own game, it's a campaign setting that uses the Pathfinder 2 Core rules.
That said, I don't want to make anyone feel like I'm attacking 2e. It's a great game in its own right. I just happened to like SF1 better and I'm bummed about the fact they are not even going to try to come up with a new set of rules for it and instead just use another one they already have.
I understand the commercial and logistical reasons for that decision but that doesn't mean I have to like them or change the fact that we are effectively losing an entire, mechanically differentiable game.
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Yeah “this game need to have unique mechanics and system for the sake of being unique” isn’t really a compelling argument or pro.
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“ Starfinder 2 will use the Pathfinder 2 core rules, ”
Pathfinder 2 will use the Starfinder 2 Core Rules.
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Everything I've heard from Paizo suggests, both games will be completely playable by themselves, and both games will be add-ons, supplements, or settings (what ever you want to call it) to the other game if you choose to add them.
I mostly agree with this, there's only a single set of mechanics and 2 official settings for them.
Yeah “this game need to have unique mechanics and system for the sake of being unique” isn’t really a compelling argument or pro.
I'd argue having unique mechanics and systems that can be easily distinguished is a very relevant thing in the market of games. Why, the first thing people think of when they hear PF2 is three action economy.
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Actually, Pathfinder 1e and 2e and Starfinder have always shared the same setting, just different timelines and core rules. Now it will still be the same setting different timelines but with the same core rules.
I'd argue the massive time lapse and the gap do serve as a setting barrier but that's a taxonomical arguement I don't need to have settled.
Alright halt purchasing.May I ask why?
A system tends to go into a torpor the last year before a new edition, so we're going to get starfinder enhanced, see everything in 1e get fixed and then its time to hibernate for 2e by the time you get to test it.
Alright halt purchasing.May I ask why?A system tends to go into a torpor the last year before a new edition, so we're going to get starfinder enhanced, see everything in 1e get fixed and then its time to hibernate for 2e by the time you get to test it.
I don't understand what purchases you're foregoing. SFS? Enhanced, Scoured Stars (which isn't that much new content, presumably), and Mechaggedon! are the only remaining PF1 content to purchase other than SFS modules.
If you're not moving on to SF2 Enhanced and Mechaggedon! seems like easy purchases.
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The system is in torpor already. Enhanced is the only upcoming rules hardcover, APs have gone from bimonthly to "occasional hardcover" and the first of those (out of likely two total) is out next year. You've already halted your purchases, you just didn't notice that.
“Why, the first thing people think of when they hear PF2 is three action economy.”
And Starfinder has it now too :3
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I think of the consistent, pervasive, and boring feat structure and content.
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The system is in torpor already. Enhanced is the only upcoming rules hardcover, APs have gone from bimonthly to "occasional hardcover" and the first of those (out of likely two total) is out next year. You've already halted your purchases, you just didn't notice that.
I meant in terms of playing. The last season of PFS just kinda flopped as far as I could tell because no one wanted to play a level 1 character that wasn't going to have scenarios to grow into.
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The system is in torpor already. Enhanced is the only upcoming rules hardcover, APs have gone from bimonthly to "occasional hardcover" and the first of those (out of likely two total) is out next year. You've already halted your purchases, you just didn't notice that.I meant in terms of playing. The last season of PFS just kinda flopped as far as I could tell because no one wanted to play a level 1 character that wasn't going to have scenarios to grow into.
Despite Paizo confirming 2 more seasons of scenarios?
My guess is after that Paizo will make changes to organized play to deal with having compatible systems and take advantage of having new stores and forums. Paizo has said it's inconceivable to not have organized play for Starfinder.