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Hey all! It's been a couple years since I posted, and I lost my old info, but admittedly that doesn't matter much. The important thing here is trying to get official info on a rules question that I don't think was answered:
What does a psychic character need to prepare their spells for the day?
Prepared casters require an hour, spontaneous casters require fifteen minutes, and arcane casters require 8 hours of sleep. Considering psychic spells require a certain amount of mental and bodily focus, and don't require preparation, my assumption would be 8 hours of sleep and fifteen minutes of preparation. However, I don't want an educated guess. What I would absolutely love is an actual official ruling, that way it could be added to any errata from here on out.
So, if you're reading this and you can get someone to finally rule on it in an official manner I'd greatly appreciate it.
PS: Again, I don't want guesses. I want an official ruling.
I don’t believe there is a psychic caster that prepares their spells. And thematically, I don’t think preparation makes much sense for psychic spells, as those come from your own psyche.
But is that the official ruling? Did you get that from a Paizo employee, or is it just your opinion?
It’s official that all existing psychic classes are spontaneous casters, just by reading each one. As for why they are all spontaneous, I don’t think that is officially stated. If a prepared psychic caster were introduced, it would need to say something like “as per wizard” for spell preparation.
Why are you needing an official statement for something that doesn’t exist?
I'm glad that you're knowledgeable on what's stated in the book, as I am as well. I've been playing, running, and designing since around the time the Bestiary came out. But clearly you have trouble with instructions.
I said I want an official ruling, as do a lot of people.
Yes, it's likely they require 15 minutes of prep time. However, the bigger issue is whether they need to sleep or not.
So if you have the ear of an official Paizo staffer please have them weigh in. If you don't though your opinion isn't needed here.
Please read the full original post next time. Thank you.
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Lol. Dude you aren’t going to get any helpful replies like that. Maybe the problem is that you haven’t stated your question correctly.
You aren’t going to get an official ruling on something that doesn’t exist. And no post from anyone in the boards is going to be considered official. Lastly, you aren’t going to get a response from any developer because no one “owns” this subject, and anyone who would have has moved to 2nd edition and won’t answer your question.
I mean, you could have said nothing and it would have been just as useful. I'll try PMing one of the creators, as I was planning to if I didn't get a response. Thanks for nothing ;)
However, the bigger issue is whether they need to sleep or not.
A sorcerer or bard needs 8 hours of rest (just like a wizard), after which she spends 15 minutes concentrating.
Note it's "concentrating", not "preparing". Only prepared casters prepare.
Also keep in mind that Melkiador replied spending his free time, in a quite patient way during his first two postings.
The question of needing to rest or meditate is a lot older than psychic magic. We still don’t have guidelines as to what spontaneous divine casters do either. And it’s not like people didn’t ask. James Jacobs once even gave a non-answer that everyone in his games just get their spells back at the same time no matter what.
https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mqur?When-do-oracles-get-their-spells#4
So the rules as intended seems to be to ignore the rules.
You may also notice that the input of the creative director of the game didn’t impact the conversation, because his word still isn’t “official”.
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Three things:
1) Why does this matter? The specifics of Spell Preparation/Readying is largely irrelevant in actual play, even to the point of not being detailed at all beyond the CRB classes.
2) It's pretty clear the Psychic's spellcasting is basically a slight variation on the Sorcerer's, so if it really matters, you should probably go with the 'Sorcerer and Bards' Spell Readying rules.
3) If you really need an 'Official' rule, be prepared to be disappointed: For all intents and purposes, there is no longer any official support for 1st Edition Pathfinder. Even if you do manage to get a response from one of the class creators, that still won't be an official Paizo ruling.
I'm a fan of "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" in rulings. The rules in the psychic class for spell casting are nearly word for word the same as sorcerer. So as for daily "recharge" rules not being explicit for a psychic, but having them listed for a sorcerer, it seems silly not to use the sorcerer rules.
And see, this is what's wrong with this hobby. A whole lot of people with a whole lot of opinions. None of you have the answers I'm looking for, so why reply?
Seriously! If you don't have the specific answer to the specific question please please please just move on. Because I'm not the only person annoyed at this behavior. I used to do this same thing. Just don't weigh in next time, because nobody asked for theories.
Lol. It’s not even theories. We are telling you about what is. You are just being childish about the truth.
I’m actually beginning to wonder if this whole thread is just a really creative troll attempt.
And see, this is what's wrong with this hobby. A whole lot of people with a whole lot of opinions. None of you have the answers I'm looking for, so why reply?
Seriously! If you don't have the specific answer to the specific question please please please just move on. Because I'm not the only person annoyed at this behavior. I used to do this same thing. Just don't weigh in next time, because nobody asked for theories.
I'm sorry that we have so deeply offended you in our attempts to help, and that you are in such pain. Gaming should be a hobby that brings us together and takes us away from the pains of the mundane world. I for one will endeavor to do better in the future.
Do you need a hug?
{5th try}
you smurfin tried...
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Upon reflection, this really was a pretty good troll. Asked a question that wasn't inflammatory or over-asked. Worded the question in such a way to not make any real sense and lead you to false conclusions as to what was desired. Refused to clarify on original question, which was the first red flag.
I think they really messed up when they talked about how we are always doing this kind of thing though. The account is completely new and has only participated in this thread. Clearly an alt account from one of our more regular posters.
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Assuming they've been away from the forums for enough years then the attitude of only wanting an official response isn't too out there.
It's conceited to start a public thread and ask specifically for an official response and errata, but what they're unaware of is that it has also become a ridiculous request.
The last pf1 book was released in what, 2018? We have errata from 2016 that still hasn't made it to the books.
The designers are completely focused on pf2 now, compared to at the start of pf1's lifecycle when they were more involved in the forums.
Here's an answer from 2015 in a thread specifically for asking a designer.
They're treated as arcane.
And see, this is what's wrong with this hobby. A whole lot of people with a whole lot of opinions. None of you have the answers I'm looking for, so why reply?
Seriously! If you don't have the specific answer to the specific question please please please just move on. Because I'm not the only person annoyed at this behavior. I used to do this same thing. Just don't weigh in next time, because nobody asked for theories.
You come back after years, and this is your freaking attitude?
Welcome back, I guess...?
You realize PF1 has been dead in the water for over a year... demanding an official anything is absurd as your BS attitude.
Yeah, go bug the creator directly... if that was an option, why you ever asked a public forum is beyond me.
GTFOH. Nobody missed you.
I've had some time to think on how I acted in this discussion, and I wanted to apologize for my rude conduct. I got frustrated that people gave unwanted and unwarranted information in such a way that muddied the water and didn't help in the slightest, but that doesn't mean I should have been rude in pointing that out.
So for my part, I'm sorry for being a rude ass. Next time I'll politely point out that answering a direct question with information that has nothing to do with the question doesn't help.
You're not the only person who'll read a response here.
So, you might not be helped by these responses, but the next person who has roughly the same question might not be so fixed upon "Only the official word of Paizo will do!" - and thus they might be helped by all these responses that didn't help you.
I got frustrated that people gave unwanted and unwarranted information in such a way that muddied the water and didn't help in the slightest [...] Next time I'll politely point out that answering a direct question with information that has nothing to do with the question doesn't help.
For someone who's allegedly apologizing, you're still very dismissive, condescending, and passive-aggressive.
I have two pieces of advice to give you:
• First, if you word your question differently from what you actually want to know, don't blame people for answering what you wrote, not what you meant. You wrote "What does a psychic character need to prepare their spells for the day?". 'Prepare' is a game term that doesn't apply to psychic casters (with the sole exception of Blood Arcanists with the Psychic Bloodline). What you actually wanted to know, as far as I can tell, is "do psychic casters require 8 hours of rest (not sleep!) to regain spell slots?". That's significantly different from the question you actually asked.
• Second, you have to accept that not every rule question has a official, RAW solution. People pointing that out are helpful, even if you don't like it. It's basically a "don't shoot the messanger" situation.
What you asked in this thread is for something that doesn't exist and will never exist. This thread is as if you'd asked "what's five divided by zero", and then got mad that you don't get a number as an answer!
You could write every single past and present paizo employee, and even if you got answers from all of them, it would still not be what you are searching for, "an actual official ruling". Only books, errata to books, FAQs, and Paizo's blog posts can make official rulings, nothing else.
For this reason, your accusation of "muddying the water" is unjustified, as there is no water to muddy. There will be no official answer buried in this thread by houserule suggestions, becauses no such answer exists or will ever exist. That's not a guess, it's something the regluar posters know.