I'm currently running a Fists of the Ruby Phoenix game privately and just thought to myself, wouldn't it be cool if all teams were players?
I started to think about the idea a lot (at first I considered doing 32 teams and the pre-qualifier but I talked myself out of it for the sheer logistic challenge) and was convinced to do it!
How will it work?
This game will be running async, which means the games will be up all the time and people will take their turn when they have time (however please try to make sure you can participate at least once per day) so it will mean that it might not be a very fast paced game. This is also for logistic reasons (scheduling is hard enough with a group of 5 people, imagine 20+) and will be hosted on a 24/7 uptime foundry server and will also make use of Discord.
There will be 8 teams (might do less if we don't get enough people) participating in a double elimination tournament, the final will be a best-of-3 where the winning team has a one game lead. The game will feature different kind of arenas to spice things up a little.
What is allowed?
There will be three eligible team formats to make things interesting:
Eight level 14 characters.
Four level 16 characters.
Two level 18 characters.
According to encounter budgeting these are are all "extreme challenges" to each other so should add a fun tactical twist to it all.
Only official paizo content will be allowed, no free archetype, all ancestries will be allowed, uncommon options will be allowed.
Banned content:
Heaven's Thunder
Pin to the Spot
Sixth Pillar Mastery (only problematic in a few cases but I don't want to be closing those holes as they show up)
Abomination Domain
Martials multiclassing into Wild Shape
Additionally I reserve the right to close any loopholes, exploits, etc. I discover at a later point.
Your starting equipment will use Treasure for New Characters as if you were one level higher, e.g. a level 16 character will recieve gear as if they started at level 17.
Rule changes, additions and notes
Incapacitation and similar effects will always treat a player character and their companions as higher level than you.
You'll have a single hero point per match.
For the purpose of the Gladiator archetype and similar effects, these matches are spectated.
Recall Knowledge is not worth the hassle of trying to figure out how to adjudicate it for this.
There are a couple of ambiguous rules in PF2 that I will have to make a ruling on. It will be an exercise in futility to try to counter them all before it starts so sometimes I will have to make ruling as we go.
Special Rules
A contestant who yields or fails to act for a count of three (3 rounds) shall be removed from the field of battle as quickly as possible and is no longer a contestant in that match.
You can cast effects and buffs on yourself before the game if they have a duration of at least 5 mins.
All characters must start each game on the ground and detected.
All games will be public for the contestants, due to using foundry I'm not sure how I would allow others to spectate.
All characters are fully revived and restored between games.
So how do I sign up?
I will not be coordinating teams but you can organize yourself in this comment section if you'd like. Once you have a full team with a team name and legal characters (pathbuilder is a quick and easy way to build and allow me to verify them) message me and I'll sign you up.
If you have any questions about this or maybe I missed something, just let me know!
Is each player submitting a team? I think this would be best as it constrains the craziness.
Seems interesting! though I don't know that I am well versed enough in 2e to make a full team work we will see though!
At the moment I do have teams that consist of players joining together.
I guess there is nothing that stops anyone from controlling a team all by themselves (and I can't really verify this anyways) I think it is more fun for it to be individual persons.
You can choose either lump sum or items by level, if you do items by level I would very much appreciate a breakdown however.
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Anyone interested in signing up with a level 18 partner? Anyone groups of three 16th level players need a fourth? Any single person out there wanting/willing to split a team of 16th level characters (two each) that could be fun too, right? See any problem with people partnering up to do that, Onkonk?
I could go in on the 16 or 18 with you!
Anyone interested in signing up with a level 18 partner? Anyone groups of three 16th level players need a fourth? Any single person out there wanting/willing to split a team of 16th level characters (two each) that could be fun too, right? See any problem with people partnering up to do that, Onkonk?
This is fine, I also want to mention some stuff I answered else where.
You can use relics as long as you pay the cost and follow the minimum level in the relic rules.
Consumables are gone forever when used but something like a wand with a 1/day ability is restored between matches.
This is quite intriguing....
Hello All!
I am an experienced PF2e gamer. I currently run a Cleric (Champion/Medic) 20 in AoA, a Wizard 18 in EC, and a Fighter (Martial Artist/Medic) 16 in FotRP.
I agree that most likely the best option may be 4 Level 16s. Although, the other options are nothing to sneeze at either.
Do I need to recruit other players as team members, write up my own 4 level 16 team, or are we forming companies here?
Thank you for running!
This is quite intriguing....
Do I need to recruit other players as team members, write up my own 4 level 16 team, or are we forming companies here?
My wish is that teams are recruited of mostly individual players to enforce the feeling of it being a team-based tournament, at least 2 players per team. Though as mentioned before I don't really have the capacity to check and enforce this so see it as what I would think is cool.
You can recruit players in any manner you wish, seems to be 2 other people in this thread alone that maybe want to team up? If you have friends you'd like to play with that is also fine.
The more teams that join the more fun this will be I think! :D
Right now there are three teams that have signed up with another team showing interest.
So either way I think it will be fine as I'm pretty sure we'll be at least 4 and I don't think more than 8 will sign up.
I'm willing to join in. I prefer the 4x16 team as well. The mob of 8 may have lots of actions, but they're fighting quite a bit uphill against the 18th level boys. The pair has strength, but action economy will kill them unless they can put some people in a corner.
feel free to PM me to talk ideas.
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@Philo Pharynx @Dorian 'Grey' @KeeperofRunes
Keeper of Runes and I have already passed some PMs about working as a team controlling 2 characters each, but I don't see why we couldn't switch that to joining with the two of you and running one PC each, especially with Onkonk saying they already have 3 other teams.
Keeper has limited PF2 experience and it might be easier on them to create/run just 1 PC.
What do you each and all think?
I am amendable to that idea. As much as I do enjoy creating characters, development of one would be enough to add to my list...lol!
I am willing to play any Class that I am not currently playing.
Currently Playing
1. Cleric
2. Wizard
3. Fighter
4. Gunslinger
I actually may like to take Alchemist out for a test drive.
I had/have 5 PF1e Alchemists but haven't tried one in PF2e yet.
But if the DM allows, I would like to discuss ideas here?
I’m definitely happy with that arrangement!
You are allowed to discuss here! :)
alchemist takes the ranged Dps slot up pretty well so maybe a Barbarian for Melee dps but I'd be fine building almost anything depending on you and Philo!
I have some ideas for some group stuff, but I'd prefer not to discuss them in the open where all of the other teams are listening. Do we want to do email or discord or something?
Discord would be fine with me.
And, they are always listening...lol.
@Onkonk KoR, Reckless, Philo Pharynx and I have been discussing Classes/roles in a Discord server.
Just wanted to keep you appraised.
Do you want Profiles here, or do you have an official Page for that?
You can DM in any capacity you wish, here on the forums, my discord Kjell#1064 or my reddit /u/TheKjell.
May we @16th purchase Item 17 and Apex?
If you are using lump sum you can buy items above your level.
Ok. Thank you. Already spent 1/2 gp on items but still need to purchase the Formulas that he does not get free.
Making progress....