There is NO clear difference between a Mithril (Chain Shirt and Kilt) and a (Mithril Chain Shirt) and Kilt. It is mithral medium armor, counts as light (because mithral)... I do imagine that you would have to pay the difference between mithral light armor and mithral medium armor to attach the kilt/make the new set of armor...
Sean K. Reynolds says, “Adding an armored kilt to an existing set of armor has the effect of creating a new type of armor, just as studded leather is leather with studs, chainmail is a chain shirt plus leg and arm coverings, and half-plate is chainmail plus plates. Once you add it to armor, don’t think of it as a separate piece that you can add unique properties to, just consider the new armor as a whole. Just as you wouldn’t say ‘I want to add magic to the studs of my studded leather armor’ or ‘I want the plate parts of my half-plate to be adamantine’ or even ‘I want to add enhancement bonuses just to the padding of my full plate,’ don’t try to single out the armored kilt as a separate piece.” See the source thread for additional comments.
as it's a "new armor" all over, it all need to be made of mithril before it changes from medium to light armor. both the armored kilt (which has metal in it) and the chain shirt. at least that is how i would rule it.
Mithral Shirt ($1100)
AC +4, Dex +6, ACP -0
Mithral Armored Kilt ($1020)
AC +1, Dex +8, ACP -0
Adding a Mithral Armored Kilt to a Mithral Shirt ($2120)
AC +5, Dex +5, ACP -0
The max dex of the original armor is lowered by one (mithral doesn't change this), therefor we end up with a maximum of +5 from dex on the new set of armor. Adding the weight of a mithral armored kilt to a mithral shirt is ~17.5lbs.
Mithral Kikko ($4250)
AC +5, Dex +6, ACP -0
Weighs ~12.5#
Are you just adding the 20gp "iron bars" armored kilt to your fancy mithral shirt? Weight goes up to 25# total and price drops to 1120gp, stats don't otherwise change for the end result set of armor. And since your entire suit of armor isn't mithral, and the armored kilt increases the catagory by one step... you are in medium armor that counts as medium armor. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
Then it is +5/+5/-0, 25lbs medium armor that counts as medium armor, and costs 1120gp.
If they are now one set of armor, as per SKR, and JJ says that regardless of materials the catagory of armor always increases, the weight always increases by 15#, and the max dex is always reduced by one... I think we have a pretty concrete answer to this question.
Do you not agree?
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I know this is the rules arena, and opinions don't mean $#!+ in the thunderdome... but I would allow someone to count it as light armor if they paid the price for a mithral armored kilt.
So total price of 2120gp, total weight of 17.5#... medium armor that counts as light... same +5/+5/-0 as before...
It goes counter to what JJ said, but he isn't at my table, running my games...
There seems to be a gross misconception about how Mithral works in this thread… mithral does NOT reduce the armors weight category in pathfinder like it does in 3.5… what it does do is modify the armors max dex, armor check penalty, physical weight, and treat it as one category lower for the purpose of determining your movement speed… nothing else, the armor is still considered its original weight category for all other purposes. Mithral medium armor is still medium armor.
So… a mithral chain shirt w/ armored kilt, regardless of how your GM rules the cost calculations, would in fact be a set of medium armor, but with the mobility of a light armor.
It literally doesn’t matter how you rule the creation rules for the armor. The rules for the kilt and the rules for mithral are NOT at odds with each other.
Technically, it does count as reduced for class feature purposes, just not proficiency purposes.
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If you are going to claim a 'gross misconception' you might want to quote the actual relevant rules:There seems to be a gross misconception about how Mithral works in this thread… mithral does NOT reduce the armors weight category in pathfinder like it does in 3.5… what it does do is modify the armors max dex, armor check penalty, physical weight, and treat it as one category lower for the purpose of determining your movement speed… nothing else, the armor is still considered its original weight category for all other purposes. Mithral medium armor is still medium armor.
So… a mithral chain shirt w/ armored kilt, regardless of how your GM rules the cost calculations, would in fact be a set of medium armor, but with the mobility of a light armor.
It literally doesn’t matter how you rule the creation rules for the armor. The rules for the kilt and the rules for mithral are NOT at odds with each other.
Ultimate Equipment pg. 51, PRPG Core Rulebook pg. 154Source
Mithral is a rare, silvery metal that is lighter than steel but just as hard. When worked like steel, it can be used to create amazing armor, and is occasionally used for other items as well. Most mithral armors are one category lighter than normal for purposes of movement and other limitations. Heavy armors are treated as medium, and medium armors are treated as light, but light armors are still treated as light. This decrease does not apply to proficiency in wearing the armor. A character wearing mithral full plate must be proficient in wearing heavy armor to avoid adding the armor’s check penalty on all his attack rolls and skill checks that involve moving. Spell failure chances for armors and shields made from mithral are decreased by 10%, maximum Dexterity bonuses are increased by 2, and armor check penalties are decreased by 3 (to a minimum of 0).
An item made from mithral weighs half as much as the same item made from other metals. In the case of weapons, this lighter weight does not change a weapon’s size category or the ease with which it can be wielded (whether it is light, one-handed, or two-handed). Items not primarily of metal are not meaningfully affected by being partially made of mithral. (A longsword can be a mithral weapon, while a quarterstaff cannot.) Mithral weapons count as silver for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Weapons and armors fashioned from mithral are always masterwork items as well; the masterwork cost is included in the prices given below.
Mithral has 30 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 15.
The reduced armor category counts 'for purposes of movement and other limitations' and the only specific exception to this is the proficiency required: Essentially, a Mithril Breastplate is light armor for all purposes except you still need medium armor proficiency to avoid the non-proficient penalties.
As for the original question, it seems to me there are a couple of separate ways to think about this:
- 1) Shirt+Kilt are two separate pieces of gear, and are treated as medium armor even if both are made of mithril because of the specific 'When you add an armored kilt to a suit of light armor, the set counts as medium armor' text.
- 2) Shirt+kilt become a single set of medium armor, which is treated as 'light' if both are made of mithril (how a 'mixed material' set would work without treating them as separate pieces is another question).
- 3) Man, piecemeal armors like Kilts are mechanically confusing and just shouldn't be allowed in play...
For me the concept that counts as a lower category (light <medium <heavy) is mostly for the effects of penalties on skills, dexterity and proficiency in the use of The armor for the rest does not change the fact that it remains a light and medium armor at the same time