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Edit: Mysterious Stranger has missed the odd FAQ and other commentary, like this one.

That is a VERY interesting FAQ. I had always assumed tripping was done with, you know, the feet, unless you had a weapon capable of it. But you can trip someone with your longsword ... you just can't drop it as well as you can a sickle in the event you do very badly? Very odd.

There seems to be a gross misconception about how Mithral works in this thread… mithral does NOT reduce the armors weight category in pathfinder like it does in 3.5… what it does do is modify the armors max dex, armor check penalty, physical weight, and treat it as one category lower for the purpose of determining your movement speed… nothing else, the armor is still considered its original weight category for all other purposes. Mithral medium armor is still medium armor.

No misconception. If you want to be exact it is ‘treated as X for purposes of movement and other limitations.” One could say similar of the armored kilt since, depending on the wording, it either ‘counts as’ heavier or changes the ‘weight category.’ As far as I can see, these are never exactly defined so we don’t even know if they require a higher level of proficiency, though JJ suggested they should—if only to dissuade their use,—or if it certainly makes a light armor into a medium armor. It could very well be that a mithral chain shirt is a paradox that is both treated as a light armor AND counts as a medium armor for movement.

Is a Mithral Chain Shirt wrapped in a kilt a Mithral medium armor? Can I save money by making only part of my Breastplate out of mithral?

I've always been in the "it's still medium because it says it's medium" camp.

Doesn't matter if everything is mitral, you add a kilt to any armor, increase category by 1.

Just use a mithral breastplate (without a kilt) and save the headache

Oh, I'd never do this myself. It seems completely exploitative and Mithril Breastplate is Bae.

But I'm looking for a strict, RAW interpretation for why it does or doesn't work. Or maybe an FAQ or explicit dev opinion. >.>

That’s a funny oversight but, unless there’s some errata, I imagine it’s a case of rules trumping fluff.

Then it is +5/+5/-0, 25lbs medium armor that counts as medium armor, and costs 1120gp.

If they are now one set of armor, as per SKR, and JJ says that regardless of materials the catagory of armor always increases, the weight always increases by 15#, and the max dex is always reduced by one... I think we have a pretty concrete answer to this question.

Do you not agree?

That's largely my interpretation, but there remain people who argue that because it is both mithril and medium, mithril reduces it to light.

I don't think Arcane Pool or even Amulet of Mighty Fists would affect the Magic Trick Throw Punch, as the feat spells out exactly what attack bonus and damage to use and never mentions that it is an unarmed strike itself.

Mithral Shirt ($1100)

AC +4, Dex +6, ACP -0

Mithral Armored Kilt ($1020)
AC +1, Dex +8, ACP -0

Adding a Mithral Armored Kilt to a Mithral Shirt ($2120)
AC +5, Dex +5, ACP -0

Are you just adding the 20gp "iron bars" armored kilt to your fancy mithral shirt? Weight goes up to 25# total and price drops to 1120gp, stats don't otherwise change for the end result set of armor. And since your entire suit of armor isn't mithral, and the armored kilt increases the catagory by one step... you are in medium armor that counts as medium armor. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

Per the rules and another comment in another thread by James Jacobs, an armored kilt being Mithril doesn't change it's effects when adding it to another armor. It always increases category by one step, adds 15 pounds, and reduces Max Dex by 1.

There is NO clear difference between a Mithril (Chain Shirt and Kilt) and a (Mithril Chain Shirt) and Kilt. It is mithral medium armor, counts as light (because mithral)... I do imagine that you would have to pay the difference between mithral light armor and mithral medium armor to attach the kilt/make the new set of armor...

Sean K. Reynolds says [snip]

I've read the whole thread multiple times. It doesn't exactly clear up the question.

But in your imagining that you would need to pay the difference suggests there IS a difference. If someone makes a Mithril (Chain Shirt and Kilt), it is 4120 GP and a light armor. If someone makes a Mithril Chain Shirt, it is 1100 GP and a light armor ... when they add the kilt it is a 1120 GP medium armor.

SKR also said "You can add the kilt to armor without any special knowledge; it's an exception to the "one suit of armor at a time" rule."

Unless I'm wrong and it's a 1120 GP light armor comparable to a 4250 GP Mithril Kikko.

I've dug through the forums and several threads, but I cannot find a DEFINITIVE answer to this, so I signed up just to ask:

If you have a mithril chain shirt and add an armored kilt to it, does it count as a Medium armor? Or, because it is mithril, is it a medium armor that is treated as light--all for the low price of 1120 GP?

I'm of the opinion that there is a clear difference between a Mithril (Chain Shirt and Kilt) and a (Mithril Chain Shirt) and Kilt.