Belafon
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PF1 doesn't have "archetypes to race." There are plenty of class archetypes, and plenty of one-race-only class archetypes, that get specific bonus feats at first level.
You may be thinking of "alternate racial traits." There are plenty of those that can give you specific bonus feats. Half-Elves, for example, can take Ancestral Arms (replaces Adaptability) to get Weapon Proficiency in any one martial or exotic weapon.
| zza ni |
mainly looking for something like weapon focus or quick draw specifically. I did NOT know you could retrain racial feats though, that's pretty cool.
well yes and no. since when you retrain a feat you get to pick from the same list you could have taken the feat in the first time, but with your current abilities (like your higher bab). so you can only pick what was available to you when the race gave you that feat. if it call for a specific feat it must be that.
so half elf can retrain to a different skill focus. a human for any other feat they can take. but an orc who got endurance must take only endurance (or replace for anything the race allow to replace for it).
same for class bonus feats. a fighter who retrain a bonus feat can only pick a combat feat. not say item creation feats. a wizard can only a feat from the list for his bonus feats, so no combat feats etc.
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Evilserran wrote:mainly looking for something like weapon focus or quick draw specifically. I did NOT know you could retrain racial feats though, that's pretty cool.
well yes and no. since when you retrain a feat you get to pick from the same list you could have taken the feat in the first time, but with your current abilities (like your higher bab). so you can only pick what was available to you when the race gave you that feat. if it call for a specific feat it must be that.
so half elf can retrain to a different skill focus. a human for any other feat they can take. but an orc who got endurance must take only endurance (or replace for anything the race allow to replace for it).
same for class bonus feats. a fighter who retrain a bonus feat can only pick a combat feat. not say item creation feats. a wizard can only a feat from the list for his bonus feats, so no combat feats etc.
that may be the INTENT, but that is not stated like that anywhere. There is nothing that says you have to retrain skill focus for skill focus for example, but there are rules that say you can retrain any feat for a different feat.
there is nothing that says it has to be from the same selectable list if its a racial bonus feat, but there are things that say as long as its a feat you can take right now, you can retrain into it.There are things about CLASS feats that say that, but not anything about race
Feat
You may change one feat to another through retraining. Retraining a feat takes 5 days with a character who has the feat you want. The old feat can’t be one you used as a prerequisite for a feat, class feature, archetype, prestige class, or other ability. If the old feat is a bonus feat granted by a class feature, you must replace it with a feat that you could choose using that class feature.
Note that this retraining is unrelated to the fighter ability to learn a new bonus feat in place of an old one at certain class levels. That class ability is free, happens instantly when the character gains an appropriate fighter level, doesn’t require a trainer, and can happen only once for any appropriate fighter level. Retraining a feat requires you to spend gp, takes time, requires a trainer, and can happen as often as you want.
Can I retrain a feat to replace it with a feat I didn’t qualify for at the level I originally gained that feat?
Yes. As long as the new feat is a valid feat for your current character, you can retrain the old feat and replace it with the new feat.
For example, if you are a 3rd-level rogue who took Improved Initiative at 1st level, you can retrain that feat and replace it with Weapon Focus. Even though Weapon Focus has a prerequisite of “base attack bonus +1”
| Lelomenia |
that may be the INTENT, but that is not stated like that anywhere. There is nothing that says you have to retrain skill focus for skill focus for example, but there are rules that say you can retrain any feat for a different feat.
there is nothing that says it has to be from the same selectable list if its a racial bonus feat, but there are things that say as long as its a feat you can take right now, you can retrain into it.
There are things about CLASS feats that say that, but not anything about race.
If you are unsatisfied with a feat, skill, archetype, or class ability you chose, you may spend time in intense training to trade the old ability for a new one.
going hyperRAW, your argument would apply only where you had a choice between multiple feats (as opposed to a choice within a feat, which is not a choice that can be retrained other than retraining the whole feat). Most of the racial traits that provide feats have a specific feat they provide, not a list (human bonus feat being a notable exception). I’m sure you disagree; curious if you think feats granted by items can also be retrained under RAW.
In general, retraining Racial Traits should follow the Racial Trait retraining rules though, even (especially) if they grant a feat.
| Theaitetos |
In general, retraining Racial Traits should follow the Racial Trait retraining rules though, even (especially) if they grant a feat.
"Should" is just your opinion, not the rules. The only restrictions on retraining feats are for a) feats used as prerequisites and b) feats from class features. Feats from racial traits are neither a) nor b).
Personally, I recommend retraining racial feats right at your first level, so you can get more of the precious "can only be taken at 1st level"-feats like Fey Foundling (to wit: "1st level" is not the same as "character creation").
| Lelomenia |
Lelomenia wrote:In general, retraining Racial Traits should follow the Racial Trait retraining rules though, even (especially) if they grant a feat."Should" is just your opinion, not the rules. The only restrictions on retraining feats are for a) feats used as prerequisites and b) feats from class features. Feats from racial traits are neither a) nor b).
Personally, I recommend retraining racial feats right at your first level, so you can get more of the precious "can only be taken at 1st level"-feats like Fey Foundling (to wit: "1st level" is not the same as "character creation").
the limitation to only being able to retrain feats that you chose is the literally the first sentence in the retraining rules.