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I mean, people with dwarfism and similar conditions do date people without them. The size difference is not insurmountable. Hell, Shaq is with a somewhat short woman. I imagine there is just a little more bending down from the half-orc.
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Stilts.
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Gnomes are incorrigible seekers of novelty.
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Flirt good.
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Out of character, make sure the right people in the group (which might be the whole group) know about what you want and are cool with it. You need to work that out first.
Just be kind in the ways you can. Learn the gnome's preferences for interacting and such and stick to them. Hang out with them to non-disruptive extents, be sure whatever you do has a lot of novelty, be sure the half-orc has similar preferences and so both parties enjoy time together. All of that stuff's cute. Explicitly romantic stuff would have to come a ways into the relationship and are probably best described briefly (and straightforwardly, you're going to feel self-conscious but pretending otherwise helps!) to keep other people in the group comfy — all you really need to sell a relationship happening is intermittent fluff.
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Always be mindful of a gnome's flighty nature.
Excerpt from Gnomes of Golarion:
Good luck friend.
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Pickup a +2 Reversing BabyBjorn from your local magic shop.
This will keep your arms/hands free to wield a sword and board while you're smoochin'.
Not sure what the +2 enables...
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Well you get both REALLY drunk first...
Then you make some Acrobatics and Athletics checks...
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For the most part, a lotta stuff like the kissing and cuddling follows the same logic as most size difference couples, just to bigger extremes.
If the gnome's into it, lifting a partner up and kissing them is usually seen as pretty passionate move, and you can do it way easier.
Based on my own irl relationship, height differences matter less. What you have to do when you are sitting side my side. My wife is about a foot shorter than me, but like we can hug and kiss and such without having to bend, get on tip toes, etc. when we sit beside each other
You will make a god tier "big spoon"
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Anything is possible with the power of love.
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Honestly, my advice to you is...this doesn't need advice.
This isn't likely to be something that the other people that you are role playing with are going to be interested in hearing you describe. There is no point to it, IMO.
If you need to talk about it because the GM ask what you're doing just say "I'm doing romantic stuff with my partner, like hand holding and kissing" and leave it at that. No one needs descriptions beyond that.
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Honestly, my advice to you is...this doesn't need advice.
This isn't likely to be something that the other people that you are role playing with are going to be interested in hearing you describe. There is no point to it, IMO.
If you need to talk about it because the GM ask what you're doing just say "I'm doing romantic stuff with my partner, like hand holding and kissing" and leave it at that. No one needs descriptions beyond that.
I gotta agree, we aren't going to draw diagrams of how to bang a gnome here. If that's something people want, I don't think this is the game for it. F.A.T.A.L. may be a better fit.
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The question was "how do I do an in-game romantic relationship with kissing and cuddling and stuff between two very different people". It was a little vague, sure, but I don't think jumping to the act of sex was in the cards. :v
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Gotta love how someone asks some bona fide advice and some folks auto assume OP wants to have on screen role played sex.
A few more non obtrusive rp stuff you can do to play out some courtship and cute shippy stuff:
-If you guys rp setting up camp, have your orc make some food for the gnome or just work together with them on setting things up. Making dinner together is romantic af. Share a tent and all that too, unless one or both characters are really private. Or if they are private, you can use progressing to cohabitating under one roof as a sign that the two characters are getting more serious about their bond.
-Be more tender when offering support. Maybe you're a little more gentle when using Treat Wounds, or embrace when you two co op a skill roll and succeed.
-Develop a love language. Like, most people in a relationship have little non verbal ways to express affection that can be tossed into the game as a quick comment or two that add the feel without being in your face. In my last game, I played a fox tailed half elf that used to brush her tails against her beloved's thighs. Because the character frequently used coy flirtation to influence npcs, and thus often told strangers shallow "I love yous", she preferred the tail brush because that was something reserved ONLY for people she actually loved. Irl, when my wife is reading something, I like to lay my head on her lap and plan my campaign, in game terms, this cam be translated to the orc identifying an item or deciphering writing while the gnome lays in their lap for 10 minutes to refocus or w/e
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I didn't mention sex, although maybe you all are referring to Angel Hunter D.
But really, no one is interested in your making out with or even just holding hands with your partner.
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I didn't mention sex, although maybe you all are referring to Angel Hunter D.
But really, no one is interested in your making out with or even just holding hands with your partner.
Oh, the sex comment from me was aimed at Angel hunter and the nebulous many other people I encountered on the net that jump to this conclusion, but I also disagree.
It's a role playing game, not just a war game. I enjoy watching a cute romance rp the same as I enjoy the merchant character trading shrewd haggling lines over the price of a cool magic item, or slurred drunken witty jabs between the barbarian and the rogue competing to see who can down the most booze.
Like yeah, it'll get annoying if the player decided to spend half the game making sure the table knows they are in love, but I'd also get annoyed of the merchant had to RP out every negotiation for even the most mundane gear, and the rogue and barbarian insisted a played out drinking contest every time they were in town, too
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Maybe it's just a difference tolerance level for RP, but my group doesn't do rarely does anything where all players don't get to be active participants.
So the GM isn't there role playing price haggling with one player because the other players don't get to participate. Now if the whole party is haggling to buy a castle that's a different story.
But we minimize the time individuals get to maximize the time the whole party gets.
Sure, the barbarian and rogue can say "we're having a drinking contest" and the other player can say they're talking with a merchant and if they have a funny one liner they can interject it, but we're spending 3 minutes max on something that doesn't allow the whole group to participate.
That's why I say, they can tell the group they're off courting their partner, doing romantic things. Heck they can tell us they're off to do some hot air ballooning followed by painting portraits of each other, as long as they keep the description short so they're not stealing the focus too long.
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Made a size comparison chart using Paizo art. As you can see, even the orc's dagger is more than half the gnome's size. XD
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Oh, I think we actually agree here, Claxon. Taking the spotlight for 20 minutes to rp out every aspect of your couple's date is asking a lot, and leaves the rest of the group out.
That's actually the reason almost all of my suggestions are just little embellishments you can add onto actions you would already probably be describing. Like, saying "My character gently runs their hand down the gnomes hair as I cast Lay on Hand" doesn't really add much more time than "I cast Lay on Hands", but you still get the fluff in. At least for me, romance actually more about the small things anyways.
As an aside, I also generally only add embellishment to like, 1/2 to 1/3 of my mechanical actions. Like, brushing a tail on the thigh and a kiss for luck when casting heroism before a difficult challenge is cute. Doing it every time you cast guidance on them to boost a recall knowledge or something losses the magic and gets annoying
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Yeah, Alchemic Genius I think that sort of thing is fine.
Although I think I might have a little different tolerance for frequency, even 1/3 might be a little often depending on how the frequency with which the character interacts with their partner. If they're not a member of the adventuring party, then it probably doesn't come up much at all. If they're a stronk fighter and you're a paladin healing them after every fight it might still get annoying if you did it only every third fight.
But that's a lot more to do with specific individuals.
In any event, I got the vibe from the OP that they wanted to get way more specific because they're thinking about the gap in size of bodies vs just thinking about "I lovingly put my hand on their cheeks as I cast lay on hands". .
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Oh, when I say like 1/3 of my stuff gets embellishments, that's also includes stuff like describing the weird spell components and stuff I pull out. Of that fraction, an even smaller fraction involves romance stuff. I just like to throw a little flair when I'm casting fireball that's about to blast away a butt ton of mooks, or illustrate the weird cobble together goblintech (tm) feel my alchemical items have or w/e. It helps me remember that I can still have some rp fun in combat.
As far as romance goes, I like to make sure each act is unique, and usually only refer to it like once or twice a session at most
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My issue is just as the title says I don’t know how to have my half orc do a romantic relationship with a gnome the main problems are how do they kiss,cuddle,etc. and I need advice on it
Why do you want to role-play the details of a romantic relationship? Can't it just occur off-screen and everyone just acknowledges there is a love interest between the two? Do the other players want to be voyeurs during these episodes of kissing, cuddling, canoodling, etc.?
This is a fantasy game so you really don't have any restrictions on what you decide to do with the results of such a relationship. I've had a half-dwarf and a elf/orc hybrid (don't ask) in games I have run. Ancestry issue aside, size is generally not an issue you need to be concerned with. IRL we have plenty of "mismatch" sized relationships. Shaquille O'Neal is 7'1" and his ex-wife is 5'7" and for a time dated a woman 5'2". So a 6'+ half-orc hooking up with a 3'6"(ish) gnome is not impossible nor all that unusual to be honest.
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Made a size comparison chart using Paizo art. As you can see, even the orc's dagger is more than half the gnome's size. XD
Now this is interesting xD
Anyways I don't see why there should be a mechanic or ruling for this, it's more about role-playing and maybe Golarion's lore... As Ravingdork also quoted from Gnomes of Golarion.
We rarely deal with romance in my group but each time some of my friends plays a bard it basically flirts with every sentient being regardless of species and we don't actually mind it since it isn't that relevant.
Sure Elf and humans are pretty much compatible but I remember some inter species couples in Paizo books, I can't quite remember the names or the book but I kinda remember a gnome and a human (or was it elf?) lesbian couple who had made their way into the citadel where the sun orchid elixir was made and actually steal some of it o.o
In any case, being of different species -or ancestries since we're in 2e- seems to be hardly an issue in Golarion.
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I mean, people with dwarfism and similar conditions do date people without them. The size difference is not insurmountable. Hell, Shaq is with a somewhat short woman. I imagine there is just a little more bending down from the half-orc.
And in case it is the half-orc that is female -- Verne Troyer (Mini-Me) also evidently did well with normal sized women.
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There is some webfiction in the lead up to Wrath of the Righteous that involved a Human Paladin that was involved with her gone companion. Like, it is not so weird of a thing.
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There is some webfiction in the lead up to Wrath of the Righteous that involved a Human Paladin that was involved with her gone companion. Like, it is not so weird of a thing.
This couple also starred in a Pathfinder Tales novel, specifically Gears of Faith, by Gabrielle Harbowy.
And yeah, nobody seemed remotely surprised by those two being married, so human/gnome relationships are apparently pretty normal. Not necessarily common, but not super weird either.
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Just remember that the gnome is eye level with.... certain things.
Like your pocket full of interesting hand puzzles and shiny objects.
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How does it not serve a purpose? This is an advice thread. Just because you are uncomfortable with in game romance doesn't mean everyone is. Tbh, since it is a topic that comes up in my groups, it's actually helpful for me to see different angles on the subject
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I see both sides.
On one hand, the mushy (and thereby cringey) details of romantic interaction are uncomforting, in a "Do you two need a hotel room somewhere?" kind of way. It also doesn't do terribly much to both move the plot along, or value the others' presence at the table.
On the other hand, I've seen romance as a behind-the-scenes plot motivation perform quite well in one of my tables, where a youthful Bard seduced a princess whom was to be married to a noble, with the tryst being discovered by a servant, thereby disavowing the marriage, exiling the impregnated princess to die in the woods (officially, they were executed), only for the daughter to be rescued by Druids to grow up in anger at the deadbeat Bard daddy, whom would go on to try and take revenge against him. Quite the interesting plot device based in romance, and no cringe-inducing mush to go along with it.