What are the most common combat feats be used as prereqs?
Ah, someone's dabbling their toes in martial flexibility. Try getting a couple of these: combat expertise, improved unarmed strike, weapon focus, combat reflexes, power attack and/or point blank shot.
Yup, thinking of taking Barroom brawler on the Swash/Warpriest. Combat Expertise is on the short list, as I liked the idea of being able to use the "Improved _____" Power attack is unfortunately not going to happen for a LONG while
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Combat expertise does more than just improved maneuvers. If maneuvers are what you want it for though and you find yourself unable to afford a 13 Int (not unlikely on a swash/warpriest) you can get the dirty fighting feat, it acts as combat expertise for improved maneuvers.
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Brawler guide, debuffin with style
Here are two brawler guides that each have some specific information on how to pick feats to open up the widest variety of martial flexibility options.
Not gonna be 100% relevant to picking up barroom brawler but does a good job of explaining how to get the most out of the ability.
Dirty fighting feat is INTERESTING, thanks for the heads up, so many cool prereq grabbing from it...
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There is the Feat Dirty Fighting which serves as a prerequisite for all the things Combat Expertise serves as a prerequisite for, and it seems to be a more popular feat with the kids these days. Because of the split-party, I'd say that Power Attack is a more common Feat than Combat Expertise.
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Dirty Fighting only counts for the maneuver feats and not anything elseThis feat counts as having Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, and Improved Unarmed Strike for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites of the various improved combat maneuver feats, as well as feats that require those improved combat maneuver feats as prerequisites.
So right now, for the mini chain I am looking at Barroom Brawler and the extra fighter weapon training for more charges (at level 7 when I can legally take it) Plus getting Combat Reflex in there this is the "plan" right now
1) Weapon Focus, Weapon Finnesse, Exotic Weapon (dueling sword), Slashing grace
2-CF) Weapon Focus -> Wushu Darts
3) Combat Expertise
4-BF) Weapon Spec (Sword)
5) Barroom Brawler
7) (Unknown)
7-BF) Advanced Weapon Training -> Abundant Tactics
Okay, but my point is that since Dirty Fighting can be taken as a prerequisite for things--only some things, ok--Power Attack is probably more commonly taken than Combat Expertise.There is the Feat Dirty Fighting which serves as a prerequisite for all the things Combat Expertise serves as a prerequisite for, and it seems to be a more popular feat with the kids these days. Because of the split-party, I'd say that Power Attack is a more common Feat than Combat Expertise.Incorrect
Dirty Fighting only counts for the maneuver feats and not anything elseThis feat counts as having Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, and Improved Unarmed Strike for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites of the various improved combat maneuver feats, as well as feats that require those improved combat maneuver feats as prerequisites.
I realize that others may someday refrence this, and other situations may be different, but my Str 9 character does not see Power Attack as a probable feat to take :)
Dodge is also a prereq for a fair amount of feats that would be pretty nice for Barroom Brawler (since they are feats I'd hate to blow a perma feat choice on, ie; Mobility, Wind Stance, Lightning Stance, etc...)
Dodge is also a prereq for a fair amount of feats that would be pretty nice for Barroom Brawler (since they are feats I'd hate to blow a perma feat choice on, ie; Mobility, Wind Stance, Lightning Stance, etc...)
Seems to me that most of the dodge trees also require mobility (maybe I am wrong)
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I realize that others may someday refrence this, and other situations may be different, but my Str 9 character does not see Power Attack as a probable feat to take :)Okay, but my point is that since Dirty Fighting can be taken as a prerequisite for things--only some things, ok--Power Attack is probably more commonly taken than Combat Expertise.There is the Feat Dirty Fighting which serves as a prerequisite for all the things Combat Expertise serves as a prerequisite for, and it seems to be a more popular feat with the kids these days. Because of the split-party, I'd say that Power Attack is a more common Feat than Combat Expertise.Incorrect
Dirty Fighting only counts for the maneuver feats and not anything elseThis feat counts as having Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, and Improved Unarmed Strike for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites of the various improved combat maneuver feats, as well as feats that require those improved combat maneuver feats as prerequisites.
But if you want to, just take 2 levels of ranger (or slayer) to get the 2 handed combat style and get power attack as a bonus feat without meeting prerequisites.
Dodge is also a prereq for a fair amount of feats that would be pretty nice for Barroom Brawler (since they are feats I'd hate to blow a perma feat choice on, ie; Mobility, Wind Stance, Lightning Stance, etc...)Seems to me that most of the dodge trees also require mobility (maybe I am wrong)
Mostly. The feats that don't require mobility (but do require dodge) are ones I wouldn't care about either.
just wanted to add. anyone doing a list of feats to grab on the fly should consider to take up "Dedicated Adversary" - not as a permanent feat, as the feat to pick with barroom brawler and such (if not going for feat chains)
- gaining a +2 bonus on attack, damage, Bluff, Knowledge, Perception, Sense Motive and Survival checks against a specific creature kind. also can make Knowledge skill checks untrained when attempting to identify it.
a feat that give you this much with no requirement (other then not having a favored enemy already) is pure gold!
This isn't a feat you'll always use, but I think GHOSTSLAYER is a great feat to have in your back pocket for when you need it.
It's situational, and it's not a prerequisite for anything but it's something you'll love when you need it.
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great on the fly feats:
Ghostslayer
Rat catcher
Dedicated Adversary
Blind fighting
Mostly. The feats that don't require mobility (but do require dodge) are ones I wouldn't care about either.Dodge is also a prereq for a fair amount of feats that would be pretty nice for Barroom Brawler (since they are feats I'd hate to blow a perma feat choice on, ie; Mobility, Wind Stance, Lightning Stance, etc...)Seems to me that most of the dodge trees also require mobility (maybe I am wrong)
A couple seem nice but not worth the investment (early anyways), Dodge might get taken later, but defiantly not soon...
great on the fly feats:
Ghostslayer
Rat catcher
Dedicated Adversary
Blind fighting
This is a nice list, should make sure I have the one prereq I don't have (KS Dungeon). I think I will take Conbat Expertise in the opening I have...
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Rat catcher
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Does it come with a small but vicious dog?^^
not sure I get the reference
Also Warhammer FRP has a rat-catcher profession with a small but vicious dog. Strangely effective in the 3rd edition, but it existed earlier.
To tack onto this thread, there's a couple of other tools to help with figuring out potential feat chains of interest.
Thanks for these
Also Warhammer FRP has a rat-catcher profession with a small but vicious dog. Strangely effective in the 3rd edition, but it existed earlier.
I knew I liked you for good reasons^^