Yes, and probably.
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A map of earth shows up in the android pics of their race entry in the CRB and apparently in the planet entry in Devastation Ark #3, which either proves earth in Starfinder is known to the Pact Worlds or that Paizo contracts some lazy artists.
The only time earth turns up in pathfinder cannon is by traveling there via magical artifact hut of Baba Yaga. So Earth in pathfinder might not even exist in the same dimension as Golarion.
Not entirely true...
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In the sixth book of Strange Aeons, Black Stars Beckon, the PCs encounter a section of Paris was that was copied into the city of Carcosa, created there by a botched performance of the ritual/play The King In Yellow. More than a few residents of Earth have ended up there as well.
...but even then, trying to exploit those connections to reach Earth is... intensely unwise.
It's unclear as to exactly when the gap begins - a lot of people have this idea that it starts either at the start of 1e or at the edition change because they use the gap as an explanation for why none of the AP results are discussed, which I personally think is pointless given that the ap results are ancient history and need no more explanation for not being discussed than that they aren't particularly relevant to the current setting.
Point being the gap may not begin for another hundred years or more for all we know.
There's a couple of Starfinder Society scenarios that deal with a Great Old One who is, canonically in Pathfinder, trapped on Earth, so...
I think that was a typo; the start of 2E is the version I've heard (and use).
I've seen people on these forums say that they believe the gap starts at 1e for the reason stated. I've also seen people use 2e as the gap starting point. Personally I don't use either.
A map of earth shows up in the android pics of their race entry in the CRB and apparently in the planet entry in Devastation Ark #3, which either proves earth in Starfinder is known to the Pact Worlds or that Paizo contracts some lazy artists.
So looking at it now the planet in Dominion's End(Devastation Ark #3) is described as the lone satellite orbiting an Orange Dwarf star; the Earth obviously isn't the only planet orbiting the Sun, & the Sun isn't an Orange Dwarf(K-type main sequence, the Sun is a G-type main sequence yellow dwarf. It might go through an orange dwarf phase when shrinking down to a white dwarf after it's red giant phase but I can't find anything conclusive on that and that's billions of years from now, anyway).
So, either something very bad has happened like the sun being artificially aged & the other planets being destroyed or removed, or Earth being moved to a new star(given that Pathfinder Established Earth as being in a separate galaxy from Golarion & the CRB establishing that drift travel is in-galaxy only, would have to be this one), or it's just... I'll go with efficiency rather than laziness on behalf of the artist.
My head cannon is that radio waves from earth are just reaching the pact worlds , and after a little magictech are deciphered and unscrambled. So there's every reason vesk could be watching game of thrones...
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...and apparently in the planet entry in Devastation Ark #3
*squints at AP33* Huh, yeah, that looks quite a bit like The Levant. But there's also a lot of lights south of there in what would be the Indian Ocean, where one usually doesn't find land, or enough lights to be visible from space...
I'm no cartographer, but I think there's enough plausible deniability there to make the argument that's not Earth - especially combined with the other stuff pointed out above about the solar system. So, what FormerFiend said.| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I can't recall now where I saw it, but I explored this question myself a year or so ago and I recall that one official statement from Paizo was that Golarion is not located in the Milky Way galaxy. Furthermore, Androffa is also located in a galaxy other than the one containing Golarion. Has anyone ever seen Earth and Androffa together in the same room? Hmm.
Of course, we know that Androffa is a different word entirely than Earth, but someone could make interesting use of that canon coincidence.
Even if it wasn't in the same universe for some reason or another, that isn't too much of a limitation *gestures to witchwarpers*.
no we are not in the gap (got the feeling it was more secret worlds/magic uknown in the AP that travels there)
I'm curious what one of those statements has to do with the other. The gap is a time period erased from memory & history. That doesn't really have a bearing on whether or not magic is a known thing in the Path/Starfinder version of earth.
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no we are not in the gap (got the feeling it was more secret worlds/magic uknown in the AP that travels there)I'm curious what one of those statements has to do with the other. The gap is a time period erased from memory & history. That doesn't really have a bearing on whether or not magic is a known thing in the Path/Starfinder version of earth.
Nothing beyond my being rushed when I posted it. The bit in brackets was not related to not being in the gap it was a response to Metaphysician's comment they see earth as hellboy meets marvel. We might have hellboy (hidden magic) but we wouldn't have marvel (televised superheroes).
Nothing beyond my being rushed when I posted it. The bit in brackets was not related to not being in the gap it was a response to Metaphysician's comment they see earth as hellboy meets marvel. We might have hellboy (hidden magic) but we wouldn't have marvel (televised superheroes).no we are not in the gap (got the feeling it was more secret worlds/magic uknown in the AP that travels there)I'm curious what one of those statements has to do with the other. The gap is a time period erased from memory & history. That doesn't really have a bearing on whether or not magic is a known thing in the Path/Starfinder version of earth.
Fair enough.
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My argument is that, given the kind of stuff in Earth-circa early 1900s, its much more plausible that Earth-circa 20th century or far later looks like a superhero comic than a hidden-magic setting. That which is hideable, or not-notice-able, in the early modern era is not the same as what can happen once you have global telecommunication and ubiquitous media. See also: the MCU, where secret stuff was secret a century ago, but not so much later.
Admitedly I'm only going by a vague memory of an AP I never got a chance to play (just comments here and there) but I thought that when the PC's hit Earth magic was sort of lacking and even the villain needed some kind of device to use it at full strength. As in its not later hellboy movie levels of hidden magic where you have hidden markets and entire kingdoms in which case yes it would with modern tech come out and be seen and we'd get marvel "I am iron man" reveals. Rather its the first movie where even the hidden magic is rare Hellboy from another dimension, 1 member of a apparenlty extinct species, 1 person with psychic powers and a few supernatural Nazi's with 99% of the world just normal. So all you'll see is a few conspiracy theorists from the tiny portion of the world that actually encountered it. With the later being the high end the low end being a largely real world early 1900s with only the villain having any real power in all of Europe.
Essentially my impression was it was less "secret society amongst the mundanes" and more "maybe a half dozen in all of America that have some supernatural ability or contact with it over the course of a century."