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I think since they owned the rights to Kick Ass, it was probably more likely they'd reference that than AHS.
The Kick Ass quote was quite amusing, since it's the only film where (I believe) both Quicksilvers worked alongside one another.
No way to feed twice as many people tomorrow.
The chances of Hulk not thinking of this when he undid the snap was zero. I assume as part of the Unsnappening he made sure enough crops/food materialised to sustain everyone until supply lines got back online.
Comic book logic isn't always an oxyomoron. But there are things about it that do make me wonder (eyes a recent issue of Superman/Wonder Woman where the son of Superman [in a contest with a Sun God] punches the sun and the Sun god felt it...)
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The fantasy logic of "when you touch the sun does the sun god feel it"? is very different from, "let's create a global disaster that affects normal human beings but don't think too hard about the actual effects of said disaster because we just want to be an event you can handwave away in the end because in the end we want to return to the status quo." I don't want realism, but I do want verisimilitude. There is a difference. The fantasy world does not have to match the real one--it can be strikingly different--but there should be an internal logic and consistency to things. And if the world in question solidly establishes that if there are ordinary innocent human beings on an Earth that is politically/economically/socially much like ours, that apocalyptic disasters should, for internal consistency's sake, affect them much the way they would affect us.
The potential ramifications of both the Snap and Blip make me wish, very hard, they had never approached the Infinity War plotline at all, let alone how they resolved it in Endgame. I know it's Marvel fan sacrilege to question the wisdom of Feige and the Russos and Markus and McFeely, let alone to criticize Infinity War/Endgame, but I honestly have huge problems with the whole thing, especially Endgame and how it panned out in so many ways.
Why? (For the purposes of this conversation.) The best of Marvel, while always fantastical and creating seemingly impossible things--and indeed often ridiculous and soap opera-y to boot--is grounded in human experience. Even the fantasy generally serves as allegory for human life, for example, the struggles for mutants and other supers being accepted serving as an allegory for the various human/civil rights struggles happening in our society. The best written Marvel stories not only do not require you to handwave basic facts of how most of humanity lives or how the world functions at least on a day-to-day level, but they also make use of that to tell good stories. The best Marvel stories do not force you to ignore how basic human life works--it in fact uses that as a tool to tell good stories.
So when in the largest piece of the most-paid-attention-to Marvel Cinematic Universe includes what should be a HUGE plot point that should have caused total and extreme change permanently, and then the designers say, "Oh no, that's fixed now, back to the status quo," it stands out because not only is that bad writing, it also doesn't feel like what Marvel should be capable of.
I recognize however with Wandavision, they are at least trying to address some of the real ramifications of the Decimation and Blip, even if they can't address all aspects of how the world really should have transformed. I appreciate that in many cases this means that the showrunners are having to take the s~~$ty writing regarding the ramifications in Endgame and Far from Home and work with what they have, but turn it into something that is actually worthy of the best of Marvel storytelling.
A random thought as I type this: what if the residents of Westview are all people who were Snapped, who returned to a world where they have lost loved ones/livelihood/etc.? That Wanda's seemingly creepily brainwashing them is also suppressing THEIR trauma as well as her own and that's how she has rationalized that she is doing a good thing?
Comic book logic isn't always an oxyomoron. But there are things about it that do make me wonder (eyes a recent issue of Superman/Wonder Woman where the son of Superman [in a contest with a Sun God] punches the sun and the Sun god felt it...)
Given how I remember superman works that should have just been
"Hey, you're borrowing my power. How about I take that back...."
I still am having trouble with that one but at least you all are making better points than some others.
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Finally, the superhero the MCU needs: someone who understands the pain of grief is a human truth you need to experience, live through, accept, and learn to keep going--not rewrite the entire f*+&ing universe to your liking because you're too much of a coward to deal with loss (and on this last statement, while Wanda technically applies, she's not even those I'm thinking of here).
Man, so Ag fooled me in Episode 6. I really thought she had been trying to escape and was getting caught in the edge-of-the-hex stasis. But even before the reveal this episode, when she was trying to get Wanda away from Monica I knew she was up to no good. Dammit!
Best theme song ever, though.
So is it really just Agatha or are there still other forces at play here? I love and hate how this show is making me question everything!
I'm also in the air about Pietro. I declared I thought he was a friendly last episode, because even though he was seemingly cruel in some of his statements, he was also making Wanda face some harsh truths that I think was actually helping her recognize she was possibly hurting people and recognize that she maybe needed to rethink what she was doing here and dig into why she was brought here to begin with (which seemed to carry over into this episode, where she feels she needs to put herself in timeout). He very much seemed to me offering her "tough love" in a way only a sibling can. Obviously he is being controlled by Agatha as revealed here, but is he purely her henchman or did she pull alt-universe Pietro through the Nexus and then do a control whammy on him?
Everything going on with Monica is all I want and more.
And I need more Vision+Darcy team up, please.
Those who haven't seen the episode yet: the episode has moved to the 2010s now and you know what that means.... mid/end credits sequence. Stick around. :)
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I think DQ's point is well made: An event like the Blip can't just be hand waved away. But I think the aftermath of Endgame and Far From Home showed people trying to act like "it's all good now" while burying the trauma...just like Wanda has been trying to do.
What we're seeing in this series (and hopefully in the other Phase 4 projects) is the reality of half the population dying and coming back five years on hitting home. Hayward's initial "Welcome back, Monica. I'm going to try and keep the place just like the one your Mom made" giving way to his true feelings about superheroes and his need for control shows one response to the Blip and we are seeing different responses from different characters.
Seriously, the writers seem to be on the same page as you are, DQ. Here's hoping they keep up the quality.
So...I have to say I'm glad I was right. This was a great episode. I can't wait to see what episode 8 is going to be like.
So I don't think the BE (Big Evil) is whom we thought or think. But at the same time, I still wonder why it's taken this long to get here.
Also I was right to not trust S.W.O.R.D. director dick.
I guess. Maybe. You can explain anything with enough magic.
Might as well just recreate all the supply lines intact with supplies already moving on them. And repair all the rest of the infrastructure that had collapsed over the last 5 years, including all the empty houses.
With the infinity stones you have passed "a wizard did it" and gone directly to "God did it". You're talking about an effect spanning...a galaxy? Two galaxies? The entire universe? The kind of sheer physical power we're talking about is beyond comprehension, and there's nothing that indicates the mind stone is any less mentally powerful than the power stone is physically powerful.
Unlike Starlords dad you are REALLY close to a capital G God in terms of power and knowledge there, if only for a few seconds.
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I'm with the wolf. The Infinity stone power scale is pretty tremendous, in or out of comics. Hell they stopped the collision of two universes. I'd like to see Ego try that...
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Thanks Bjorn.
I'd like to think in an alternate universe, Wandavision was an Excel-Saga like satire of different anime genres, complete with Vision-as-Hyatt dying in every episode and then coming back fine the next one. Obviously the magical girl episode would be part of the series finale.
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I was pretty sure Agnes was Agatha Harkness since ep 3, "Now In Color"!
I just re-watched the period sitcom intro sequences for the various episodes, and I just noticed now that Agnes' cartoon character for ep 2, "Don't Touch That Dial!" is holding a lop-eared rabbit and a martini.
I also just re-watched the ep 7 "Modern Family"-style intro (where it's mostly the word "Wanda" in various locations), and one of them is ransom note-style letter cutouts that read, "i know what u are doing wanda".
Agnes' appearance in ep 6, "All-New Halloween Spooktacular!" threw me a bit. Wanda, Vision, and Pietro were all shown in dime-store Halloweeen costume versions of their classic comic book uniforms... and Agnes was dressed as a classic witch. The costume made me thing again of Agatha Harkness, but her being in the "slowed down/repeat on loop" fringe of town near the edge of the Hex and her reaction to Vision's questioning made me re-think it.
And I also simply adore the "Munsters"-style "Agatha All Along" song and outro-sequence!
"And I killed Sparky, too!"
And as always... Kathryn Hahn is a joy to watch in just about anything she does! I love her versitility: From the earnest rabbi in Transparent to the wild-mom in Bad Moms to an over-the-top villain haming it up in WandaVision: She's great!!
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Well, that was interesting....
Agatha! F!%@ing!! Harkness!!! My favorite old lady magic user. Not so old, apparently a little more evil (I’m not completely buying that one), and manipulating Wanda for.....reasons. And she’s got Pietro under her thumb.
I wonder where the twins are? I’m also wondering if Agatha was sent by Mephisto to recapture the pieces of his soul Wanda used to create her children.....
Brie is pretty great as Carol but to A-zombie point, Teyonah Parris is slated to show up in Captain Marvel 2 along with Kamala Khan aka Ms Marvel.
Also I think we're all satisfied that Hahn's casting has proven quite good.
Norse,
So... how many episodes left and how many before the Fantastic Four show up? (or at least, Franklin... ;) )
Thrune person,
There are only two left now and no idea if any FF will show up.
I can think of two unitruduced to the MCU Marvel Comic characters off the top of my head who could have it done. It's a comic book thing.
Is it a comic book thing here? We'll just have to watch and see.
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So... that happened.
The show feels like its building up to an explosion but I still can't figure out what that'll be. A bigger bad behind AH? The fight for Wanda's kids? A very real battle against SWORD's attempt to storm the Hex? All of the above?
One thing's for certain - I don't think we've seen Monica's "engineer" friend yet, just the army personnel that delivered her vehicle to her.
Also, as an aside... how the HECK did Monica's friend get that vehicle slapped together in, what... a DAY? Like, she theorized having the thing constructed in episode 5 and Darcey said that she's been watching the "show" for a week. That presumably means that every episode takes a week for us to see but a day for Darcey.
So the idea here is: this woman enters the Hex and loses her sense of self for maybe 2 or 3 days; is ejected and spends one full day getting her feet back on reality; requests a special vehicle with unique outer shielding designed solely for the energy of the Hex; early the next morning drives several miles away to meet the army who JUST HAPPEN to have this exact vehicle, wrapped up, ready to deliver.
Is that just more comic book logic befuddling by brain or is there something weird in there to anyone else?
They actually mention that it was their armored lunar rover. It was already built and they may have added some extra gear. That could take a day.
For what it was worth, if they did do modifications they didn't work either.
I'm not sure I'm ready for that, honestly, A-zombie. Not unless they introduce MODOK first.
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Also, as an aside... how the HECK did Monica's friend get that vehicle slapped together in, what... a DAY? Like, she theorized having the thing constructed in episode 5 and Darcey said that she's been watching the "show" for a week. That presumably means that every episode takes a week for us to see but a day for Darcey.
So the idea here is: this woman enters the Hex and loses her sense of self for maybe 2 or 3 days; is ejected and spends one full day getting her feet back on reality; requests a special vehicle with unique outer shielding designed solely for the energy of the Hex; early the next morning drives several miles away to meet the army who JUST HAPPEN to have this exact vehicle, wrapped up, ready to deliver.
Is that just more comic book logic befuddling by brain or is there something weird in there to anyone else?
They actually mention that it was their armored lunar rover. It was already built and they may have added some extra gear. That could take a day.
Yep, I was just going to say that. The vehicle already existed, Monica just requested it. They may well have done some modifications on it, but they didn’t build it special for this
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One thing's for certain - I don't think we've seen Monica's "engineer" friend yet, just the army personnel that delivered her vehicle to her.
I could definitely be wrong, but I think the military woman, Goodner, was the engineer. She gives Monica the speech about "remaining loyal" to her and her mother. I know Marvel fans say this about everyone, but I have a feeling she's a Skrull. Specifically, Talos's daughter, who Monica befriended in Captain Marvel.
Eh... I'm not sure that's where that's going DQ. Nothing to say you're right but lack of evidence isn't evidence.
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It's worse than that.
Tell me why anyone thinks special shielding for things mundane will work against things overtly magical?
I don't think anyone at SWORD has really grokked the concept of 'magical' and certainly the hex, with it's odd digital FX, doesn't look like sorcery, so much as 'science we don't understand yet.'
Much like the Infinity Stones, or vibranium. And I'm sure there are folks trying to find 'tech' explanations for Thor and Dr. Strange's shenanigans involving wormholes and extradimensional energies and whatnot.
Eventually, there's gonna be demons and all that, and those same folk will be waving their hands furiously and calling them hostile extradimensional entities or whatever, screaming desperately that there's no such things as demons and magic. :)
requests a special vehicle with unique outer shielding designed solely for the energy of the Hex;
Oh, also, the show established the "energy of the Hex" is at least in large part Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR), which is a thing that comes from space in general and was generated by the Big Bang in particular. They can recognize and measure it, and an-already-built advanced space vehicle from SWORD is indeed probably already fitted to handle CMBR and other mysterious space energies.
Eh... I'm not sure that's where that's going DQ. Nothing to say you're right but lack of evidence isn't evidence.
I'm not making any such claim about evidence. I am however making an informed inference based on the fact that it's someone Monica knows, it's someone the show wants us to be aware of, and as the person does not appear to be any sort of "famous" Marvel character we have yet to see, it stands to reason there's a chance it's someone we've seen before who is also connected to Monica. It is in short just a guess that I hope I put some thought into, but last I checked there was no rule against guessing here.
Thrune person,
There are only two left now and no idea if any FF will show up.
Thrune 'person'?! now that's hardly how to announce a royal, is it? especially one that lands such royal gifts at yon feet, Viking man 'person!' ;) :P
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I could definitely be wrong, but I think the military woman, Goodner, was the engineer. She gives Monica the speech about "remaining loyal" to her and her mother. I know Marvel fans say this about everyone, but I have a feeling she's a Skrull. Specifically, Talos's daughter, who Monica befriended in Captain Marvel.
One thing's for certain - I don't think we've seen Monica's "engineer" friend yet, just the army personnel that delivered her vehicle to her.
I think you could be right about her being a Skrull, maybe even Talos’s daughter, but she can’t be the aerospace engineer - Monica referred to him as male a few times... “I’ll call my guy”, etc.
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I think you could be right about her being a Skrull, maybe even Talos’s daughter, but she can’t be the aerospace engineer - Monica referred to him as male a few times... “I’ll call my guy”, etc.I could definitely be wrong, but I think the military woman, Goodner, was the engineer. She gives Monica the speech about "remaining loyal" to her and her mother. I know Marvel fans say this about everyone, but I have a feeling she's a Skrull. Specifically, Talos's daughter, who Monica befriended in Captain Marvel.
One thing's for certain - I don't think we've seen Monica's "engineer" friend yet, just the army personnel that delivered her vehicle to her.
Interestingly while she says, "my guy" once, apparently the Spanish subtitles refer to a female. Which if intentional and not a translation error, could suggest this is an individual whose apparent gender varies. Like a shapeshifter. :)
I'm guessing that John Jameson might show up in the MCU...just not sure if he'll get his Werewolf powers though...
Blosodriette,
I'm aware of Agatha's origins as I've been an FF fan for years.
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FWAAAH. That was intense.
"What is grief, if not love persevering?" Man. Wow. Can Jac Schaeffer write all of the MCU from now on?
Yeah that was a great line and really felt like it gave us more insight into Wanda and Vision's relationship.
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I'm a bit confused on Vision's body.
Also, in the space of a week, how did SWORD reconstruct his body as much as they did, when it was in pieces when Wanda saw it?
Finally, what's with the SWORD argument that they legally own it? It was built originally by Tony Stark and Bruce Banner during Age of Ultron, and when Vision died it was in Wakanda. I would think that either the Avengers or Wakanda would have the best legal claim to the body, either due to prior ownership and being the creators of the body in the first place for the Avengers, or because Wakanda lays claim to all Vibranium (and it was in their territory in the first place).