I have no idea where your quote is from. Ultimate Magic says this: "A wizard can learn an arcane discovery in place of a regular feat or wizard bonus feat." UM pg. 86
Let me guess, you looked it up on d20pfsrd.com?
d20pfsrd.com is not a proper rule source. It should not be consulted at all for rule questions, since the site often omits, changes, or adds text.
For the record, the Wizard is from the CRB, and Arcane Discoveries originate from UM. They couldn't possibly be mentioned in the Wizard description.
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I'm not saying you should stop using websites to look up rules, I'm saying you should use Archives of Nethys instead.
I'm not saying you should stop using websites to look up rules, I'm saying you should use Archives of Nethys instead.
AoN's search feature is painful, to the point of near unusability.
No sort by relevance. No preview text before following a link. No nice tables for listing for example, all the feats with a summary write up. Or only the combat feats. (Or maybe I've just never figured out how to find these things easily in AoN).
If AoN would hook up google as the site search engine it would be great.
I'm not saying you should stop using websites to look up rules, I'm saying you should use Archives of Nethys instead.AoN's search feature is painful, to the point of near unusability.
No sort by relevance. No preview text before following a link. No nice tables for listing for example, all the feats with a summary write up. Or only the combat feats. (Or maybe I've just never figured out how to find these things easily in AoN).
If AoN would hook up google as the site search engine it would be great.
I agree directly searching AoN is difficult. The best way I've found to use it is to find the thing I want on d20 and then type into the google search bar
site: aonprd.com <whatever I'm looking for>
Then I can go straight to its entry on nethys (assuming the d20 name isn't drastically different from the real name).
Agreed that the full search is awkward, especially since all the checkboxes are checked by default and I'm usually looking for one kind of thing. (If I'm only looking for one thing period, I'll just use Google.)
AoN is also not mobile friendly... the sidebar takes up 90% of the screen and can’t be minimized for the pathfinder 1st edition part of the site. While it may be the officially supported site, it is far from user friendly which is why people prefer to go to d20pfsrd when quickly looking something up. Heck you can often find your answer on d20pfsrd in the time it takes just to get the search page for AoN to start searching. It is very poorly coded... also, if your looking for spells as a Wizard or Occultist then AoN is even worse due to a complete lack of the ability to filter spells by spell school.
They updated the site on the 14th and it is much more mobile friendly now.
They updated the site on the 14th and it is much more mobile friendly now.
I litteraly just had it up on my phone 5 seconds ago... still can't do anything about that side bar covering 90% of the screen... they updated it sure, but they did nothing for making it more mobile friendly or even user friendly at all.
They updated the site on the 14th and it is much more mobile friendly now.
maybe that's what happened. I've noticed that recently on my computer I can't even access the built in search function any more because the sidebar won't scroll and search is near the bottom. I can't say for sure that it started doing this after the 14th but that sounds about right.
They updated the site on the 14th and it is much more mobile friendly now.maybe that's what happened. I've noticed that recently on my computer I can't even access the built in search function any more because the sidebar won't scroll and search is near the bottom. I can't say for sure that it started doing this after the 14th but that sounds about right.
Same here. The old search page still exists but I have to access it by using a bookmark.
Just a note... while the new updated site has a “minimize menu” button, that button doesn’t work on mobile, the menu is all sorts of broken now on mobile... at least on iPhone anyways, haven’t checked android yet.
Just a note... while the new updated site has a “minimize menu” button, that button doesn’t work on mobile, the menu is all sorts of broken now on mobile... at least on iPhone anyways, haven’t checked android yet.
using an Iphone with Chrome no side menu unless i click the button for it everything fits on the screen nicely menu now drops down from the top. Not sure why yours is acting different but it is working great for a mobile page on my phone and browser.
D20pfsrd on my Phone in chrome
Archives on my phone in chrome
I mean it's clean I can navigate them both fairly easily. Archives still could do a little better on finding things sometimes but it's a lot better since this update.
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AoN ... also, if your looking for spells as a Wizard or Occultist then AoN is even worse due to a complete lack of the ability to filter spells by spell school.
You are using the wrong search. :-)
AoN -> Spells/Rituals -> Custom Search.Class: [______v] Level (Min): [___v] Level (Max): [___v]
School: [______v] Sub-School: [______v] Descriptor: [______v]
Words in Description: [______]
Includes Mythic Version: [_]
PFS-Legal: [_]
<Filter Spells>
/cevah
(If I'm only looking for one thing period, I'll just use Google.)
If I'm looking for one thing period, I type e.g. "aon feat" in the broweser's adress window, press down once, and replace the specific name in the link now in the adress window with what I'm looking for (pasting works even with spaces).
For searching for feats et al. with specific things, the by far best way is to download/make a copy of the respective file from here, and then search or filter the relevant section (e.g. prereqs).
people prefer to go to d20pfsrd when quickly looking something up
And that's not a problem. Hell, I do that myself! However, for a rule question, the exact wording is important. Quite frankly, we're talking about a few seconds here, whatever post you make takes way longer than the extra search time.
I suspect that 90% of all the problems with AoN are merely lack of familiarity. I do agree that the search function on d20 is a few seconds quicker, and it's certainly easier to link specific options from a list (e.g. Rage Powers) via d20 than via AoN. But for most things, AoN is not more complicated to use (and sometimes decidedly less complicated - d20 files the occult classes not under classes, but under alternate systems).
Maybe it's a different mindset. To me, getting information that I can trust to be true is more important than saving a few seconds. To me, investing a tiny amount of extra work to make a post that's factually correct is vastly preferable to to using the easiest way and ending up a with a blatantly incorrect post.
As I play PF + homegrown only, the SRD does not give good answers more than rare occasions. I have to doublecheck each answer to see if it is 3pp before I can use it in my game. For players in PFS, it is even harder.
Another aspect is that AoN has better rules support as opposed to item support. Trying to find rules in SRD is harder than AoN.
Searching for spells is easier on AoN, as is general searching for stuff that I recalled imperfectly. Yes, the linking is better on SRD, but if you cannot get to the right page at first, better linking does not help.
Additionally, there are a number of things I have found on AoN that are still not on the SRD.
I use SRD more for broad reading and generic searching, but I use AoN for authoritative results.
Final result: both work, but have their strengths and weaknesses.
/cevah