Druid weapons in 2E?


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Dataphiles

I was considering multiclassing druid/fighter meaning my character would have proficiency with all weapons.

It seems the requirement for druid to use non-metallic weapons has been lifted and the detailed rules for weapons made of non-standard materials removed. At least I did not find the requirement to use metal-free weapons in 2E.

There are rules for darkwood armor which explicitly mention that there is no wood armor in the core rulebook. Presumably we will get some wood armor later and until then it's padded, leather, and hide armor.

Which leaves only one minor question. The tower shield is described as "made of wood reinforced with metal". Does this make the shield unsuitable for druid? Can a wood-only or darkwood-only tower shield be obtained?

Again I cannot find the exemption of tower shield from normal shield rules in 2E which makes it much more usable piece of equipment.


vegavin23 wrote:
It seems the requirement for druid to use non-metallic weapons has been lifted and the detailed rules for weapons made of non-standard materials removed. At least I did not find the requirement to use metal-free weapons in 2E.

There's no such requirement in either PF2 or PF1.


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vegavin23 wrote:
It seems the requirement for druid to use non-metallic weapons has been lifted.

Pathfinder Druids have never been required to use metal-free weapons. At least, not the ones in the Core Rulebook.

vegavin23 wrote:
There are rules for darkwood armor which explicitly mention that there is no wood armor in the core rulebook. Presumably we will get some wood armor later and until then it's padded, leather, and hide armor.

Armor can also be made out of Dragonhide, but that's an Uncommon crafting material that you are unlikely to find early on. But if/when you do, a Dragonhide breastplate is one of the best armors for a Druid.

vegavin23 wrote:
Which leaves only one minor question. The tower shield is described as "made of wood reinforced with metal". Does this make the shield unsuitable for druid? Can a wood-only or darkwood-only tower shield be obtained?

Darkwood tower shields are found on page 586 of the CRB.

Edit: as an aside, this is a general rules question, and not really a Pathfinder Society question.

Dataphiles

Thanks, missed that part about darkwood tower shield.

It still does not say if the standard or darkwood tower shield is usable by druid.

And yes, this is very specific to organized play. In all other circumstances it depends on your GM.

Sczarni

Why would it not be useable?


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I think the concern is
a) a normal tower shield is made of wood & metal.
b) druids can't use it because metal shields are forbidden.
c) darkwood replaces the wood portion of the shield, not the metal portion, so it remains unusable.

The question is whether "wood reinforced be metal" counts as metal. I'd probably allow it, its primarily wood. But I can understand why people are worried about table variation.

Sczarni

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Where is C stated?

A Darkwood Tower Shield is Darkwood. I don't see anywhere that states it's reinforced with metal.

I remember this being an argument in 1st Edition, but in 2nd Edition a Darkwood Tower Shield is its own thing.

Edited a few times because I'm nitpicky.


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Places that I've had people quote to me:

pg577 wrote:


Materials with the precious trait can be substitute for base materials. For instance, a hammer's head could be made of adamantine instead of iron.

This is the strongest argument people tend to make that only 'similar component parts' are substituted. Often backed up with:

pg555 wrote:


You can make leather armor out of dragonhide, wooden armor out of darkwood, and metal armor out of any precious metal except for darkwood

Yes, that's armor, not shields.

The weapons and shield sections are silent on the issue. People go on to say that an adamantine pole-arm doesn't have its wooden haft replaced with adamantine. Or the bowstring of a darkwood bow, with wood? They use this as an argument that 'like is replaced by like' and the armor section at least specifies that darkwood can not substitute for metal.

The specific precious material shield/weapons don't have descriptive text, so people assume the original unmodified description is still in effect.

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NielsenE wrote:
...people assume the original unmodified description is still in effect.

To be fair, that's probably not an unreasonable assumption

Dataphiles

So it's clearly not clear. Is there some place to request rule clarification?

The dragonhide armor has the same cost as as the darkwood armor so I assume you could make dragonhide tower shield at the same cost as darkwood tower shield. But is not listed in the table of presious material shields. And it would require your character to be at least level 7 because the darkwood tower shield requires level 8 to craft, and your character can be no more than one level below the equipment it uses. At least it is more realistic than dragonhide armor which requires level 11.


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What is the benefit of a tower shield in 2E 'live' versus the Playtest, where shields were tinfoil?

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
What is the benefit of a tower shield in 2E 'live' versus the Playtest, where shields were tinfoil?

Your basic shield is pretty much the same. It can take one or two hits before it is broken or destroyed. But in that time, it is absorbing damage for you.

Better quality shields, which what darkwood and dragonhide would be, last longer.

Sczarni

vegavin23 wrote:
Is there some place to request rule clarification?

That is the purpose of the Rules Questions Forum.


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Re:Darkwood Shields. Darkwood Bucklers exist, and that's explicitly a metal to wood conversion, since normally bucklers are metal.


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First World Bard wrote:
Re:Darkwood Shields. Darkwood Bucklers exist, and that's explicitly a metal to wood conversion, since normally bucklers are metal.

I agree.

The Rules wrote:
These massive shields can be used to provide cover to nearly the entire body. Due to their size, they are **TYPICALLY** made of wood reinforced with metal.

If the DM wanted to reinforce it with more wood instead, change the hardness to 3, and for darkwood, given you need to be level 8 (ish) it's likely ok to just accept a Darkwood Tower Shield shield as all wood. Maybe at worse you make it a Hardness of 4 instead.

Sczarni

You can't really just change the rules, though.

Silver Crusade

Nefreet is correct, this is not something Society GMs can adjust, if you want this to be changed, you have to go to the rules forum, hoping to get a clarification from the designers - or arguing for an errata.

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