Vangaurds: Entropic Strike and Two Handed Melee Weapons


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A friend of mine and I are building a Vanguard and the wording of something is throwing us off a little. When it comes to Entropic Strike it says the following:

"You can also deliver an entropic strike with any melee weapon with which you are proficient or any shield that allows you to make unarmed attacks."

Does this mean the weapon AND shield must allow for an unarmed attack? Or is it just for shields? Can you channel an Entropic Strike through a Two Handed Melee Weapon?


A second question, does the damage from Entropic Strike replace the damage you would normally do with a melee weapon, or does it stack on top?

My friend is using a Tactical Swoop Hammer(2 handed) and that does 1d10 damage plus STR and the bonus from Weapon Specialization.

So would he roll:

1d10+STR+Weapon Specialization Bonus

and then

Entropic Strike Damage?

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1) "You can also deliver an entropic strike with any melee weapon with which you are proficient OR any shield that allows you to make unarmed attacks." Weapons don't "allow" you to make unarmed attacks.

2) "When you do this, the attack acts as your entropic strike (targeting EAC, gaining the block and operative weapon special properties, and dealing the damage of your entropic strike)."

Entropic Strike damage replaces the weapon's damage. When you use the weapon to deliver an Entropic Strike, the attack becomes an Entropic Strike. It targets EAC and can inflict either bludgeoning and/or acid damage.

Ex. Level 7, you roll: 2d6 + Constitution modifier + Vanguard Level


Zero the Nothing wrote:

1) "You can also deliver an entropic strike with any melee weapon with which you are proficient OR any shield that allows you to make unarmed attacks." Weapons don't "allow" you to make unarmed attacks.

2) "When you do this, the attack acts as your entropic strike (targeting EAC, gaining the block and operative weapon special properties, and dealing the damage of your entropic strike)."

Entropic Strike damage replaces the weapon's damage. When you use the weapon to deliver an Entropic Strike, the attack becomes an Entropic Strike. It targets EAC and can inflict either bludgeoning and/or acid damage.

Ex. Level 7, you roll: 2d6 + Constitution modifier + Vanguard Level

Alright I had a feeling it was that. Thank you!


Zero the Nothing wrote:

1) .... gaining the block and operative weapon special properties...

Ex. Level 7, you roll: 2d6 + Constitution modifier + Vanguard Level

Wouldn't it be half vanguard level because it is an operative weapon?

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Styrofoam wrote:
Zero the Nothing wrote:

1) .... gaining the block and operative weapon special properties...

Ex. Level 7, you roll: 2d6 + Constitution modifier + Vanguard Level

Wouldn't it be half vanguard level because it is an operative weapon?

With other Operative weapons it would be, but the Vanguard's Entropic Strike specifically says it does full Specialization damage.

"You gain the Weapon Specialization feat as a bonus feat for each weapon type with which this class grants you proficiency. You also gain a special form of weapon specialization for your entropic strike, allowing you add a bonus to your damage equal to your vanguard class level plus half of any other class levels you have."

Keenarnor wrote:
Alright I had a feeling it was that. Thank you!

No problem. I actually really like the Vanguard's Entropic Strike. It lets you use pretty much any melee weapon you want and turn it into an EAC Operative weapon that adds Con mod damage and deals full Spec damage. So being able to choose weapons with Disarm, Trip, or Reach is a huge help to the class.

Second Seekers (Jadnura)

Wow. Didn't realize that before.

Seems like the answer would be to buy a level 2 pike for reach and call it a day.

Sovereign Court

At some point you'll want a higher-level weapon so you can put more fusions on it.


Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber

Well, yes, but you would have to upgrade weapons anyway to be able to keep using entropy strike with them, as your vanguard level increases.

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