Several extra shield block reactions?

[PoohPuss]

Does the Champion class feat Quick Block and the fighter class feat Quick Shield Block stack, resulting in 2 extra Shield Block reactions per round?

[Nyerkh]

They both each actually grant their own needed extra reaction, so I'd go with "Yes".

2 to 3 Blocks in a round means you need a really durable shield though. Still, pretty good if it does survive long enough. Not gonna come online before level 16, but interesting.

[Edge93]

It kinda depends on interpretation, I think the way to call it would be to say that you can't take both because they are the same feat (despite being on different classes) and you can't take the same feat more than once unless it specifies you can.

[PoohPuss]

Edge93 wrote:

It kinda depends on interpretation, I think the way to call it would be to say that you can't take both because they are the same feat (despite being on different classes) and you can't take the same feat more than once unless it specifies you can.

While they are indeed the same feat in spirit, they have different names, different texts, and different feat requirements.

[Korre]

Per the Rulebook: reaction - An action you can use even if it’s not your turn. You can use 1 reaction per round. 17, 461–462, 472–473.

You can only have one reaction per round. You would get to choose the one you wanted to use though as far as see it.

[mavbor]

Korre wrote:

Per the Rulebook: reaction - An action you can use even if it’s not your turn. You can use 1 reaction per round. 17, 461–462, 472–473.

You can only have one reaction per round. You would get to choose the one you wanted to use though as far as see it.

That is the general rule. Specific rules override it. There are ways to get many many more reactions per round. Quick Block. Combat Reflexes and the Fighters lvl 20 feat which gives many many more reactions per round depending on the number of enemies he faces.

[Edge93]

Korre wrote:

Per the Rulebook: reaction - An action you can use even if it’s not your turn. You can use 1 reaction per round. 17, 461–462, 472–473.

You can only have one reaction per round. You would get to choose the one you wanted to use though as far as see it.

That's not quite how it works. These feats specifically grant you extra reactions beyond the 1 reaction you normally get per round, not just grant you an extra thing to use your reaction on.

That's like saying Haste doesn't actually let you take 4 actions per turn because you can only take 3 actions per turn.

[Edge93]

PoohPuss wrote:

Edge93 wrote:

It kinda depends on interpretation, I think the way to call it would be to say that you can't take both because they are the same feat (despite being on different classes) and you can't take the same feat more than once unless it specifies you can.

While they are indeed the same feat in spirit, they have different names, different texts, and different feat requirements.

Do they have different names? I thought they were both called Quick Shield Block. I also thought the text was essentially the same. The effect certainly is.

[Nyerkh]

They do have different names, the first post has them. Similar, but different.
And they do have the same exact text, past the first favour sentence (and for good reason, see below).
One has a feat prereq, the other does not.
But none of that really helps here. And they're still different feats.

They both grant "an additional reaction that you can use only to Shield Block", I see very little standing in the way of both stacking.
It's also very much the standard wording for all the additional reaction feats.
If you can have one (or more) of those and one of the shield block ones, why not both bonus shield blocks ?
How strong is it by the time you actually can get both ?

That said, it could be a dangerous precedent.
There aren't any other doable double stacks right now as far as I can tell, since the other similar reaction granting feats are too high level (like Improved Twin Riposte, although those at least share a name), but with the potential here I'd say it's worthy of a clarification.

[WatersLethe]

I would rule that they stack and be mildly surprised if it was errata'd otherwise.

[Glav]

The short answer is “yes.” It works.

Pathfinder 2nd edition rules do exactly and only what they say they do. If you take both feats you get the extra reaction twice.

[Slamy Mcbiteo]

Champions Quick block specifically states you get an additional reaction

Core Rule Book wrote:

You can block with your shield instinctively. At the start of each
of your turns, you gain an additional reaction that you can use
only to perform a Shield Block.

So this feat would give you 2 reactions...the second one is only for shield block...the first is your choice you just need the feat to shield block.

[lordcirth]

Slamy Mcbiteo wrote:

Champions Quick block specifically states you get an additional reaction

Core Rule Book wrote:

You can block with your shield instinctively. At the start of each
of your turns, you gain an additional reaction that you can use
only to perform a Shield Block.

So this feat would give you 2 reactions...the second one is only for shield block...the first is your choice you just need the feat to shield block.

Yes, the feat does what it says. The question was whether the Fighter and Champion feats stack. And it seems they do.

I doubt this is broken, given that both are quite high level. In order to have both, you'd need to be level 16, as they are both level 8 feats and you need double to take it with multiclassing. Also, level 20 fighters can get a reaction, for anything, for each enemy's turn!

[MaxAstro]

Not only do they stack, but if you then take the feat that turns a shield block into a Champion's reaction, you can use your reaction up to four times per round (assuming you also take the free reaction feat for that).

Come at me, evildoers. :P

[Dubious Scholar]

MaxAstro wrote:

Not only do they stack, but if you then take the feat that turns a shield block into a Champion's reaction, you can use your reaction up to four times per round (assuming you also take the free reaction feat for that).

Come at me, evildoers. :P

Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. That feat gives a separate reaction that is not Shield Block. So it can't be used with the Quick Block reaction.

[MaxAstro]

Dubious Scholar wrote:

MaxAstro wrote:

Not only do they stack, but if you then take the feat that turns a shield block into a Champion's reaction, you can use your reaction up to four times per round (assuming you also take the free reaction feat for that).

Come at me, evildoers. :P

Pretty sure it doesn't work that way. That feat gives a separate reaction that is not Shield Block. So it can't be used with the Quick Block reaction.

Hm... Seems you are correct. I blame AoN not including the action symbols...