Any psychic casters aside occult and sorcerer bloodline?


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I've to build a supportive PC. Race is kitsune, who shall remain in fox form as much as possible.
Lvl: 6.

The only casters compatible with fox form, that i am aware of, are the psychic casters and a sorcerer with psychic bloodline.

Are there ways to make other casters switch to psychic casting?

Thanks in advance.


A few of the 6 level casters have archetypes that switch their casting to psychic (like the Mindblade Magus and the Psychic Detective Investigator). But in terms of 9-level casters, I think you're limited to the Psychic and the Psychic Bloodline Sorcerer. I suspect this might be deliberate so as to not have the old classes step on the toes of the Occult Adventures classes.


Psychic Detective Investigator.

Speaker of the Palatine Eye Bard.

Mindblade Magus.

Iiiiid Rager Bloodrager?

Psychometrist Vigilante?

I think the Bard one is a good fit.

Also, there might be a case for being able to cast differently, for example being a Mute Musician Bard.


The mute bard looks fitting, a pity a fox does not have hands to play an instrument.

(let alone carry it around) ^^

I may have to keep that one in mind for future ideas.


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Chyrone wrote:
The mute bard looks fitting, a pity a fox does not have hands to play an instrument.

"Oh hey Bob, look at this cute little fox wearing tap dancing shoes. Isn't it adorable? Look, it's dancing for us! I feel... yawn... kinda... sleepyyyyy...."


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I would say that a Kitsune Mesmerist could be pretty funny.

"Hey, why is that fox staring at me?"

Grand Lodge

I second the Kitsune Mesmerist...tank their saves, then wreck their lives.

Grand Lodge

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Be sure to pick up Conceal Spell (You only need to invest in Bluff since you don't use somatic or verbal components)

Speaker of the Palatine Eye Bard lets you be a dancing fox and people will have NO idea why.

Grand Lodge

Just an FYI, all spells have visual manifestations...even psychic spells...so unless you have some way to conceal them (such as Conceal Spell) everyone will know your fox is casting spells at them, even without verbal and somatic components.


For the Mesmerist Cunning Caster is going to be better than Conceal Spell right? Since you're just using bluff (which you get +1/2*Level to), you skip -8 worth of penalties since you don't have somatic or verbal components, as a Mesmerist you can tank people's perception scores, and it doesn't slow down casting.

Like Conceal Spell specifically specifies "gestures and conversation" which might be impossible, or at least odd coming from an animal.


Chyrone wrote:

I've to build a supportive PC. Race is kitsune, who shall remain in fox form as much as possible.

Lvl: 6.

The only casters compatible with fox form, that i am aware of, are the psychic casters and a sorcerer with psychic bloodline.

Are there ways to make other casters switch to psychic casting?

Thanks in advance.

An Arcanist with the Blood Arcanist archetype and the Psychic bloodline is a 9-level Int-based Psychic prepared caster...


A witch or other character with hexes (there's a rogue archetype even) doesn't need to be psychic to do supportive stuff as a fox.


avr wrote:
A witch or other character with hexes (there's a rogue archetype even) doesn't need to be psychic to do supportive stuff as a fox.

Sure but the appeal of a psychic caster for this is that Fox Form works as beast shape II, so has restrictions on somatic and verbal spell components. One might want to cast spells in combat, not just hexes.


FamiliarMask wrote:
Chyrone wrote:

I've to build a supportive PC. Race is kitsune, who shall remain in fox form as much as possible.

Lvl: 6.

The only casters compatible with fox form, that i am aware of, are the psychic casters and a sorcerer with psychic bloodline.

Are there ways to make other casters switch to psychic casting?

Thanks in advance.

An Arcanist with the Blood Arcanist archetype and the Psychic bloodline is a 9-level Int-based Psychic prepared caster...

Unfortunately, the 9th-Level bloodline power is useless to Arcanists because they can’t learn bloodline spells. But otherwise, it works out well for a “prepared” Psychic caster.


If she were lvl 7, i could be silly and walk around with a vulpix.

But right now, options mentioned to consider. :)


Bummer. While cunning caster was very very appealing, according to archives of nethys, it is not PFS legal.

Which the game parameters switched to currently.


There's a worse version of cunning caster which is PFS legal, conceal spell & improved conceal spell.


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PossibleCabbage wrote:

I would say that a Kitsune Mesmerist could be pretty funny.

"Hey, why is that fox staring at me?"

"Hey, what did that fox say?"


Would it be worth it to dip 1 lvl into fey (or x-blooded) sorcerer?

5 mesmerist / 1 sorcerer?


Chyrone wrote:

The mute bard looks fitting, a pity a fox does not have hands to play an instrument.

(let alone carry it around) ^^

I may have to keep that one in mind for future ideas.

Fortunately, bards don't require instruments. : )

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Would it be worth it to dip 1 lvl into fey (or x-blooded) sorcerer?

5 mesmerist / 1 sorcerer?

Trade a level of mesmerist spell progression for a +2 to compulsion DCs (+1, really, since you're down a mesmerist level)? Probably not. Was there something in particular you wanted from that combo?


[Fortunately, bards don't require instruments. : ) ]

Unfortunately, i don't have that resource book. :)

blahpers wrote:
Trade a level of mesmerist spell progression for a +2 to compulsion DCs (+1, really, since you're down a mesmerist level)? Probably not. Was there something in particular you wanted from that combo?

Mostly the bonus on spell DC, as mesmerists have a lot of enchantment spells to choose from.


Chyrone wrote:

[Fortunately, bards don't require instruments. : ) ]

Mute Musician does, and that was the archetype being discussed.


The Vizier mesmerist Archetype is all about pretending that someone else is casting your spells; might be fun, if you want to go that route.


I was considering that archetype quite some. The only thing preventing me from it, was reading that it eats the 1st bold stare slot for an improvement i'm not interested in. ^^

That, and reading reviews, one of which unfortunately mentioning a big bad against which no mind tricks work, save with inception improvement.


I've seen a couple of PFS kitsune PCs who stayed in fox form 24/7, and were reasonably effective while doing it, but I think both were psychic classes (kineticist and spiritualist, IIRC?).


Dasrak wrote:
Chyrone wrote:

[Fortunately, bards don't require instruments. : ) ]

Mute Musician does, and that was the archetype being discussed.

Whoops. Both speaker of the Palatine Eye and mute musician were under discussion, and I missed the latter. For that, if you're spending most of your time in fox form, get some fox-sized ankle bells and get your percussion on.

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