Bladed Brush, Spear Dancing Style, and Swashbuckler Precise Strike


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Can a swashbuckler with both the Bladed Brush and Spear Dancing Style feat make a full-attack, using both ends of the glaive, and still get the benefit from Swashbuckler's Precise Strike based on the benefit of Bladed Brush which states:

"When wielding a glaive, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing or slashing melee weapon and as if you were not making attacks with your off-hand for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s or swashbuckler’s precise strike)."

The way I read this it should work, but I've heard a lot of opinions that it doesn't. In my mind, using the Glaive normally is still making attacks with your off hand, you're just using your main hand and off-hand to make a single attack at 1.5X STR and 3/1 Power Attack, so Spear Dancing Style simply modifies the way you're attacking with your off-hand.

Is there any official ruling on this or other interpretations based on official rules/FAQs?


Well with Bladed Brush you are 2-handing the glaive, it just doesn't count as so for things that want you to not attack with your off-hand.

The Spear Dancing Style on the other hand, makes it so the weapon is a double weapon. This gives the weapon 3 attack types: 2-handed as normal, 2-weapon fighting, and 1-handed fighting. Only the 1-handed fighting would benefit from things like Swashbuckler's Precise Strike.

So from the way I understood it, no you can't TWF and still count "as if you were not making attacks with your off-hand", because you are making an attack with your off hand.


Bladed Brush wrote:
When wielding a glaive, you can treat it as a one-handed piercing or slashing melee weapon and as if you were not making attacks with your off-hand for all feats and class abilities that require such a weapon (such as a duelist’s or swashbuckler’s precise strike).

I went back and forth on this one a couple of times, but I currently believe that it works.

Bladed Brush lets you treat a glaive as X for the purposes of feats and class abilities that require X. They don't actually make the glaive a one-handed piercing or slashing weapon--in fact, you're still wielding it as a two-handed weapon, gaining the usual damage bonus for attacking with both hands and so on--you're merely fulfilling prerequisites for other abilities. This works whenever you're wielding the glaive.

Spear Dancing Style grants the glaive the double property. You wield it as a double weapon. You're still wielding the glaive (the only requirement for Bladed Brush to kick in), therefore Bladed Brush kicks in, therefore precise strike is allowed.


Except that a 2-handed weapon does not use the twf rules. So normally the only difference is how big the str bonus is; Using the double weapon rule to make 2 attacks involves using the twf rules to get an extra attack.

To me this says that double weapon use would counter act the Bladed Brush phrase since you are in fact attacking with that hand. Otherwise you would be attacking with a hand you aren't attacking with which just doesn't make sense.


Temperans wrote:

Except that a 2-handed weapon does not use the twf rules. So normally the only difference is how big the str bonus is; Using the double weapon rule to make 2 attacks involves using the twf rules to get an extra attack.

To me this says that double weapon use would counter act the Bladed Brush phrase since you are in fact attacking with that hand. Otherwise you would be attacking with a hand you aren't attacking with which just doesn't make sense.

When you attack with a two-handed weapon you *are* attacking with your off-hand... RAW.... a double weapon or TWF just changes *how* you’re attacking with your off hand.


While yes 2-handed and TWF are both attacking with the off-hand, the mechanical effect is vastly different.

And, as great as getting TWF and Precise Strike would be, it simply goes beyond what the feat is/was meant to do. Not to mention the dual state allowing the attack would effectively mean the you are getting 4+ attack rolls but also counting as using one hand, only flurry of blows has that benefit and its specifically called out.

Also, how much damage does Precise Strike give? Does it affect both weapons and gives 2* damage, "cause the off-hand is not attacking"? Or, does it gives 1* damages and all you get is 1d6+dex B damage for a ton of feats and penalties?


So effectively you have no “as written” argument, you’re just inputting your interpretation of the “intention” and balance of the feat with no official ruling. All while simultaneously referencing that there is already a similar combat mechanic (flurry of blows), which does nothing but give precedent to other similar mechanics


Questions about "does bladed brush do this?" should really be directed at one's GM. BB has incredibly unclear interactions with a number of other rules and there has been no attempt to clarify it by whoever wrote it.


Mmm. My call on it is the same as with say Slashing Grace and Spell Combat. Yes for Spell Combat the hand is free, but as of an FAQ it was clarified that such a thing did not work, as you were making an attack with your off-hand. Same as if you were making an Unarmed Strike with the off-hand, even though an unarmed srtike is a free hand is negates "requires 1 free hand" abilities when you TWF with it.

So I would say no. When you start making off-hand attacks, regardless of source, you negate things that require a free hand.

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