I hope it is the last X-men movie.
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As a huge X-Men fan I am always hoping the movies will be great. I think this looks a lot more promising that Apocalypse did when I saw it's first trailer. So I am optimistic!
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I hope it is the last X-men movie.
The neat thing about movies is that if it is something you aren't interested in you can just not go watch it. Some folks may enjoy franchises you don't and that's ok. Instead of pissing on that maybe your time is better spent concentrating on franchises you do enjoy.
It might be the Last X-men movie Fox does...but I doubt it will be the last X-men movie ever...or even within the next 5 years.
Reckless,
Source for that obtuse quote?
thejeff,
It's kind of iconic storyline, much like the Avengers and Thanos. But I do agree with Der, they didn't give a lot of details with the trailer.
My understanding, Der, is this an adaptation of that...but how much they will hew to the source material (especially when X-men in the Fox version don't deal much with Cosmic Entities and their ilk), seems unknown at this point.
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Reckless,
Source for that obtuse quote?
Dunno, it was the next video that came up after the trailer. With the way Youtube works, it doesn't come up any more and I wasn't paying attention to which reviewer's channel it was on.
The film's Wikipedia site had this to say
Kinberg said in May 2016 that he hoped Dark Phoenix would be the first in a new trilogy of films focusing on the younger versions of the original X-Men characters.[24] After the proposed acquisition of 21st Century Fox by Disney was announced in December 2017, Disney CEO Bob Iger said that the X-Men would be integrated with the Marvel Cinematic Universe under Disney.[63]
and that May statement might have been the source of the reviewer's statement.
So you guys are probably closer to the truth, what with the integration with Disney and the MCU probably taking priority over whatever Kinberg wanted to happen.
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Thejeff,
It might be much, but for many of us, it's been more than 20 years since the last time we saw something like this in an X-men movie.
Reckless,
Thanks for clarifying and yes, I don't see Kinberg's idea going far in the new realm of Fox and Marvel.
thejeff,
The entire X-men film series started back in 2000, which admittedly my math is slightly off, but still! But yes, if you want to count only Last Stand, then yeah it's been about twelve.
Kahnya,
Fox is nothing but consistent in their screw ups...
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So, a little bit of reading into wiki's and other resources suggests that (as hinted in the trailer) while the Blackbird is in space they're hit with something fiery (Phoenix force) which gets into Jean. Already off to a better start than the first Phoenix storyline (in that it actually somewhat resembles the Phoenix storyline).
That said... once again we have an X-Men movie coming that doesn't have Bryan Singer attached to it and once again it's telling the Phoenix story.
I'll admit, I'm pretty leery, especially since it's Simon Kinberg's directorial debut.
There is also the New Mutamts movie
I'm less concerned about the New Mutants than I am about Phoenix saga, given previous history.
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Can't wait!
:D
Carry on!
--C.
I've enjoyed Fox-men with the exception of last stand and apocalypse. Hopefully MCU does make x-men too stupid.
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So, a little bit of reading into wiki's and other resources suggests that (as hinted in the trailer) while the Blackbird is in space they're hit with something fiery (Phoenix force) which gets into Jean. Already off to a better start than the first Phoenix storyline (in that it actually somewhat resembles the Phoenix storyline).
That said... once again we have an X-Men movie coming that doesn't have Bryan Singer attached to it and once again it's telling the Phoenix story.
I'll admit, I'm pretty leery, especially since it's Simon Kinberg's directorial debut.
not to mention Kinberg was a writer on last stand, which this just seems like a remake of. Wish they didn't go to this well again, because it makes the likelihood of an actual good Dark Phoenix saga in the MCU pretty unlikely :(
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It's too damn early for a Dark Phoenix storyline. We just got the Sophie Turner version of Jean in the last movie and she (and Scott) had no character and no relationship development. The audience isn't even invested in this. Say what you want about the terrible The Last Stand, at least we had a pair of movies before it (and Famke Janssen's acting) to make me give a crap.
This movie looks like it suffers the same problem as Batman Vs. Superman: the studio and writer's want to cash in on the epic payoffs of the iconic storylines without doing any of the character development & story arcs that do the necessary building up to those moments. It's the worst thinking of Michael Bay and Zack Snyder backed by Gordon Gecko-levels of greed: the cinematic equivalent of emotionally empty masturbation.
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The word is Fox has no confidence in the firlm and is just releasing it hoping to at least break even, since they know Marvel will completely retool and reboot the X-men at some point.
I have to say I’m glad Marvel is getting the X-Men (and Fantastic Four!!) back finally. I have every confindence that Marvel will do right by both and make them awesome!
It’s looking more and more that folks will likely do as Fox already has done and pretty much write this movie off as a loss ...
Well we'll see how MCU handles mutants. I mean it can't be worse than Inhumans right? I guess?
But yeah Dark Phoenix feels like X-men Last Stand only with a) slightly better character models and b) better FX.
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eh, Inhumans was handled by a different arm of Marvel. We'll almost certainly see Fiege handle the X-Men in the movie division (he's also apparently handling the Disney + series).
I am incredibly happy that Marvel will be taking over the Fox X-men. The quality for the Fox movies has been incredibly uneven...for every Deadpool and Logan there is an Wolverine Origins or a Last Stand, and the whole treatment of characters (not named Logan, Magneto, or Dr. Xavier) is usually poor). This and Blumhouse taking over the Universal Monster Properties are perhaps the movie industry developments I have been most happy with this year.
I'm still not sure about Blumhouse but it can't do worse than Tom Cruise's The Mummy.
If Feige IS handling the Disney + and X-men I hope he does a better job of finding a new Wolverine...
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Feige is heading the Disney+ shows. He will also be in charge of theX-men and Fantastic Four.
He will be in charge of all the Marvel shows going forward; the TV shows will now be completely part of the MCU, which is great!
Not sure what the part about hoping Feige does a better job of finding a new Wolverine means though ...
Marc,
Meaning he's got a ways to go since NO ONE has figured out who will be Wolverine in the next iteration of the X-men that isn't Hugh Jackman...
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Marc,
Meaning he's got a ways to go since NO ONE has figured out who will be Wolverine in the next iteration of the X-men that isn't Hugh Jackman...
Ah!
I have faith in Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios. Whatever they do with the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and the Disney+ shows, I have every confidence they'll be good
I think they'll stick with Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool and Brolin as Cable/Thanos...But I could be wrong.
I kind of hope they get Liam Hemsworth because then we get dueling Hemsworth in the MCU...
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Larry Hemsworth isn't too busy right now. (At least until season 4 of The Good Place starts.)
Well, I'll see it.
But...
I dunno.
We'll see.
I'm always down for more Fassbender-neto (even IF he got a ridiculous free pass in Apocalypse), and I'm liking the loosened canon and plausibility shackles (NO, we don't have Wolverine on the team, YEAH the suits can be a little more colorful, Mystiwue's an X-Man now! WOOOOOOOOO! That sort of thing), but...
If I were to do the Dark Phoenix saga? I'd want to build it over three movies (even Singer only started to do it in X-2, before X-Men 3 hotshotted it). This one? We're coming off of some foreshadowing in a pretty bad flick (I liked X-Men Apocalypse, but it's the way I like a fast food hamburger) and nose-diving directly into a story that only worked in the comics because it had time to build our investment in the characters involved.
This is how I'd possibly do it in the MCU (since you know Fox clearly can't do it.) Reed Richards and the rest of the FF are given their powers, but in doing so alerts the wider cosmos to the fact there's new powers rising on Earth. So in an effort to shut that down, some one (coughKreecough) manage to finagle Galactus to show up and try to eat Earth. UNLIKE the deus ex Machina of the Ultimate Nullifer, the X-men also show up to help the Richards crew deal with this...and that's where the shuttle comes in along with Sha'ir who are there because they think there's something wrong with their magic crystal. That then translates to Jean having power to send Galactus away (not like in your face but kind of like a boost of psychic power); Then comes D'ken and the rest with the Imperial Guard who end up fighting some of the Avengers too. Then with the request, Carol/Captain Marvel joins the X-men to find a way to diffuse a possible galactic war; only to have Jean totally lose it and end up eating a sun... and then Dark Phoenix her way the rest of the third movie.
This is how I'd possibly do it in the MCU (since you know Fox clearly can't do it.) Reed Richards and the rest of the FF are given their powers, but in doing so alerts the wider cosmos to the fact there's new powers rising on Earth. So in an effort to shut that down, some one (coughKreecough) manage to finagle Galactus to show up and try to eat Earth. UNLIKE the deus ex Machina of the Ultimate Nullifer, the X-men also show up to help the Richards crew deal with this...and that's where the shuttle comes in along with Sha'ir who are there because they think there's something wrong with their magic crystal. That then translates to Jean having power to send Galactus away (not like in your face but kind of like a boost of psychic power); Then comes D'ken and the rest with the Imperial Guard who end up fighting some of the Avengers too. Then with the request, Carol/Captain Marvel joins the X-men to find a way to diffuse a possible galactic war; only to have Jean totally lose it and end up eating a sun... and then Dark Phoenix her way the rest of the third movie.
This is exactly what I was talking about. Do not want.
Yeah, I've had enough of the whole Phoenix Force and death & rebirth of Jean Grey, just like I'm tired of Unicron and Optimus Prime's death & rebirth. It's all overdone to death, give it a rest already. And if you can't tell X-Men stories (or Transformers stories) without rehashing this same damn arc, then you just aren't creative and you shouldn't be let near the characters.
So...no one likes my ideas then?
Also what's wrong with me giving the Avengers a little screen time when the world comes to an end?
Speaking for myself, I'm not against your ideas. I'm against any re-adaptation of the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix storyline right now. I'd be against it even if they brought in Claremont & Byrne to write the screenplay, budgeted it for $250+ million to adapt it, seamlessly inserted it into the MCU, and had [INSERT YOUR FAVORITE DIRECTOR] direct it. I'm done with seeing it again for at least a decade, if not longer. I'm weary of it in the same way I'm weary of time travel storylines in the Star Trek universe, Star War's Imperial moon-/planet-shaped superweapons, and guitar heroes playing "Stairway to Heaven" in Guitar Center.
I feel like the most epic storylines in comics owe part of their epicness to only coming around once. I don't want to see the MCU's Asgard blown up again in a second Ragnarok, or see another Peter Parker/Clark Kent/Batman origin story. I'm so done with it. To me, it feels lazy for the paid pros to keep rehashing the same few storylines when there are a wealth of very good to great never-adapted comics stories that haven't been touched.
Today's new Dark Phoenix international trailer only has a little more new footage, but it is a remarkably better trailer than the U.S. version. If they had this one in the wings, why did we get the uninspiring, disjointed U.S. version?
I dunno, maybe this movie will do the story and characters (Jean & Scott) justice.
So...no one likes my ideas then?
Also what's wrong with me giving the Avengers a little screen time when the world comes to an end?
The avengers are convoluted enough. I dont want another one dimensional genocidal maniac villain with a glowing mcguffin because they had to make the movie 190min long so that 13 main characters could also have space for 37 cameo characters.