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I can hear you ask why druid breaking their oath at beginning of the game. let me explain the most idiotic move druids doing since the AD&D they eschew use of metal armor but did any one of them ever think for a sec. iron and most of the metals are natural resources thus technically its eligible in the oath to wear iron armor yet our idiotic arch druids are banning the metal armor. Thus making sure you are technically break your core anathema then use their powers willy nilly acting all knowledgeable. so can creators actually explain why the druids cant use metal armor.
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I am disappoint. I thought you were going to say that druid had to break their oath by teaching a non-druid (technically a pre-Druid, but that still isn't a Druid) the secret Druidic language in order for a Level 1 Druid to know it.
The reasoning for why Druids can't wear metal armour (as I see it): Sure, Iron Ore comes from the Earth, it's natural. Do you wear chunks of Iron Ore as armor? No, of course not. It stops being natural when you use artifice to melt the ore from the stones, then smelt the refined iron into steel, then forge the steel into armour.
On a related note, I preferred when Druids couldn't use metal weapons either, for consistency. I can see why they relaxed that for ease of game, but it does make the armour aspect seem out of place.
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Scythia wrote: I am disappoint. I thought you were going to say that druid had to break their oath by teaching a non-druid (technically a pre-Druid, but that still isn't a Druid) the secret Druidic language in order for a Level 1 Druid to know it.
The reasoning for why Druids can't wear metal armour (as I see it): Sure, Iron Ore comes from the Earth, it's natural. Do you wear chunks of Iron Ore as armor? No, of course not. It stops being natural when you use artifice to melt the ore from the stones, then smelt the refined iron into steel, then forge the steel into armour.
On a related note, I preferred when Druids couldn't use metal weapons either, for consistency. I can see why they relaxed that for ease of game, but it does make the armour aspect seem out of place.
I guess you as druid learn druidic language when you are dedicated to become one, teaching druidic language to a person who is not going to be a druid is anathema.
All armours are made from processed materials, so thing about metal being processed, ie heated and shaped doesn't hold water in principle compared to making cloth or hide
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khadgar567 wrote: I can hear you ask why druid breaking their oath at beginning of the game. let me explain the most idiotic move druids doing since the AD&D they eschew use of metal armor but did any one of them ever think for a sec. iron and most of the metals are natural resources thus technically its eligible in the oath to wear iron armor yet our idiotic arch druids are banning the metal armor. Thus making sure you are technically break your core anathema then use their powers willy nilly acting all knowledgeable. so can creators actually explain why the druids cant use metal armor. The anathema section doesn't give an explicit reason that metal armor and shields aren't allowed, yet metal weapons and other equipment are. Scythia's explanation doesn't work here either (besides the fact that worked wood and leather and basically as unnatural as worked metal, if not more so).
It would be interesting to have a reason why only armor/shield metal items are anathema, but I'm not sure there is one.
AD&D said metal armor interfered with natural energies. I recommend googling AD&D rules. I forgot some really wacky stuff...
Scythia wrote: On a related note, I preferred when Druids couldn't use metal weapons either, for consistency. I can see why they relaxed that for ease of game, but it does make the armour aspect seem out of place. Was there any version of D&D where Druids couldn't use any metal weapons? They had scimitars in 1e AD&D and while I could see thire spear and dagger being stone or bone, I don't see a scimitar that wasn't metal.
Because metal is non-living and you can get it without killing animals and plants, which is apparently against the druid beliefs.
Using dead bodies is much better.
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Bluenose wrote: Scythia wrote: On a related note, I preferred when Druids couldn't use metal weapons either, for consistency. I can see why they relaxed that for ease of game, but it does make the armour aspect seem out of place. Was there any version of D&D where Druids couldn't use any metal weapons? They had scimitars in 1e AD&D and while I could see thire spear and dagger being stone or bone, I don't see a scimitar that wasn't metal. The BECMI version of D&D prohibited druids from using metal weapons, but that was it as far as I know.
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D@rK-SePHiRoTH- wrote: Because metal is non-living and you can get it without killing animals and plants, which is apparently against the druid beliefs.
Using dead bodies is much better.
Well, except for Stoneplate, because we can't even have consistency in our nonsense.
Which part of the druid mandates the use of metal armour such that not wearing it is a breach of their oath again?
It's an article of faith. Many articles of faith don't stand up to close scrutiny. Articles of faith can be contradictory. I do not have a problem with arbitrary restrictions on a mystic/spiritual class - seems consistent with my experiences.
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Yeah, it's time to ditch this restriction. It's arbitrary, nonsensical and only exists due to weird choices made in the 70s. Tanning of leather is unnatural just like reducing ore to metal. And the fact that they can use metal weapons or jewelry or basically anything except armor highlights how arbitrary it is. And considering arcane armor penalty is gone, this should probably go with it.
Yeah, get rid of this please. It's silly. If we need restrictions like this they can go in the order anathema in a way that isn't completely arbitrary.
khadgar567 wrote: I can hear you ask why druid breaking their oath at beginning of the game. let me explain the most idiotic move druids doing since the AD&D they eschew use of metal armor but did any one of them ever think for a sec. iron and most of the metals are natural resources thus technically its eligible in the oath to wear iron armor yet our idiotic arch druids are banning the metal armor. Thus making sure you are technically break your core anathema then use their powers willy nilly acting all knowledgeable. so can creators actually explain why the druids cant use metal armor. Its because heat metal is so OP and it takes 1 minute to take armor off. Its pretty much a death trap to anyone wearing metal armor. Its a joke in druid circles when they see other druid's wearing metal armor, cause you know someone is going to cast it. It doesn't take long for druid's to realize that metal armor is a bad thing.
... Oh wait, Heat metal isn't in PF2...
Snickersnax wrote: khadgar567 wrote: I can hear you ask why druid breaking their oath at beginning of the game. let me explain the most idiotic move druids doing since the AD&D they eschew use of metal armor but did any one of them ever think for a sec. iron and most of the metals are natural resources thus technically its eligible in the oath to wear iron armor yet our idiotic arch druids are banning the metal armor. Thus making sure you are technically break your core anathema then use their powers willy nilly acting all knowledgeable. so can creators actually explain why the druids cant use metal armor. Its because heat metal is so OP and it takes 1 minute to take armor off. Its pretty much a death trap to anyone wearing metal armor. Its a joke in druid circles when they see other druid's wearing metal armor, cause you know someone is going to cast it. It doesn't take long for druid's to realize that metal armor is a bad thing.
... Oh wait, Heat metal isn't in PF2...
20 average damage isn't a whole loot, and it's a much worse prank than fellow 2nd-level spell Warp Wood.
It feels like "we are the druids who work metal" is a good creative space for a new order in a later book. Since druid orders can add to the class anathema it makes sense they can also change the default anathema.
@possiblecabbage hey i am down for druid order of metal but then come to think of it metal order druid with bard dedication would be funny
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