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Ok, someone asked me the following question, and I... don't know the answer.
So I figured I'd ask it here and after all the fireworks died down maybe I'd be able to answer the question.
3 players (we'll call them A, B, & C) sit down to play Gallows of Madness part 3, with PCs they have played the other two parts with. In comes Player D, who has played Part 3 with another PC at 2nd level, but she offers to sit in and get a Zeroed out Chronicle for playing. She runs a 2nd level PC (same level or one below everyone else), and actually uses some consumables - so these are marked on her Chronicle. Because she had played it before, and she isn't "re-playing" she gets a "placeholder" Chronicle that is worth zero gold, XP and Fame.
Now for the Gallows of Madness wrinkle...
Would this Zero Chronicle count toward having chronicles for all three parts on the same PC - and thus qualify for the "Bonus" Chronicle?
Thanks in advance for your insights!
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Pretty sure that all things are crossed off the chronicle, no? Otherwise folks would replay a *lot* of things for 'no credit'?
Because they didn't get 'credit/credit' for the chronicle, they don't qualify for any cumulative rewards?
ie, they already got the benefit of playing it once, without a replay item (boon, GM Star, Core Campaign, etc) they don't get 'free access' to a Boon on the sheet again?
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Players who play through the entire module and apply
all three Chronicle sheets to the same Pathfinder Society
character earn a fourth Chronicle sheet that must also be
applied to that character.
Rewards: Replaying to make a legal table doesn’t earn
any rewards. The Chronicle sheet for the adventure is
a placeholder. It should note that the scenario has been
replayed for no credit and award no gold, Prestige Points,
Fame, XP, boons, item access, or any other benefits or
disadvantages. You must track consumables, purchases,
and conditions acquired by playing the adventure. This
is the only exception to not having two copies of the same
Chronicle sheet assigned to one character.
No, it would not qualify as it is a placeholder and it does not contribute to having applied all 3 chronicles to the same character.
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Players who play through the entire module and apply
all three Chronicle sheets to the same Pathfinder Society
character earn a fourth Chronicle sheet that must also be
applied to that character.No, it would not qualify as it is a placeholder and it does not contribute to having applied all 3 chronicles to the same character.Rewards: Replaying to make a legal table doesn’t earn
any rewards. The Chronicle sheet for the adventure is
a placeholder. It should note that the scenario has been
replayed for no credit and award no gold, Prestige Points,
Fame, XP, boons, item access, or any other benefits or
disadvantages. You must track consumables, purchases,
and conditions acquired by playing the adventure. This
is the only exception to not having two copies of the same
Chronicle sheet assigned to one character.
ok...
but the section you quoted above...
Players who play through the entire module and apply
all three Chronicle sheets to the same Pathfinder Society
character earn a fourth Chronicle sheet that must also be
applied to that character.
is not text that is found on the chronicle... that text is not "crossed out" because it's actually in the Mod, and not on the chronicles, right?
"Players who play through the entire module..." check...
"... and apply all three Chronicle sheets to the same Pathfinder Society character..." check...
"... earn a fourth Chronicle sheet that must also be applied to that character." ...Wait, no way can we do this. Just because the PC has all three of the other Chronicle sheets does not mean that they "earn a fourth Chronicle sheet that must also be applied to that character."...
I guess it would be because of the word "...earn..." - replaying for no credit NEVER lets a PC "earn" anything, it just costs the PC...
"... the scenario has been replayed for no credit and award no gold, Prestige Points, Fame, XP, boons, item access, or any other benefits or advantages. You must track consumables, purchases, and conditions acquired by playing the adventure."
It clearly is not a "...condition acquired by playing the adventure." - it's not like the PC got a disease - they just picked up a zeroed out Chronicle...
;-)
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But it doesn't really matter anyway, because if the player already has a PC with the "Bonus Chronicle" assigned to it, they could not assign another "Bonus Chronicle" to a second PC. The Chronicle is not for an Evergreen scenario, and does not have a special exception, so can only be assigned to one PC player (and another for Judge Credits) anyway. Once assigned, it can't be assigned again (unless someone used a Judge Replay or something).
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It’s possible to get the bonus chronicle on multiple characters, because all three parts of Gallows are evergreens for level 1 characters. You could at least get it three times by slowtracking two parts at level 1, then play the remaining part at level 2. Mix and match and you can earn the bonus three times.
I don’t think the 2nd level character in question can do it, though. The part Sammy highlighted says the character can’t gain “any other benefits” from having the zeroed out chronicle. Counting toward the bonus chronicle would seem to be a benefit of having the zeroed out chronicle.
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It’s possible to get the bonus chronicle on multiple characters, because all three parts of Gallows are evergreens for level 1 characters. You could at least get it three times by slowtracking two parts at level 1, then play the remaining part at level 2. Mix and match and you can earn the bonus three times.
I don’t think the 2nd level character in question can do it, though. The part Sammy highlighted says the character can’t gain “any other benefits” from having the zeroed out chronicle. Counting toward the bonus chronicle would seem to be a benefit of having the zeroed out chronicle.
"It’s possible to get the bonus chronicle on multiple characters,..." why do you think this?
The Bonus Chronicle is NOT an Evergreen - and can't even be assigned to a 1st level PC (it's Tier 2-4) - so (it would seem to me) it can only be assigned to a PC once per Player. Or am I missing some "Special Rules" like the part were it can't be assigned to a PC that has one of the Chronicles as a "place holder", where a PC will have had to play all three "for credit"?
Unless the Bonus Chronicle is actually a Boon...
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I’m pretty sure it’s closer to a boon. It’s not a chronicle for playing a scenario/module. It’s a bonus chronicle that you’re awarded if you’ve played three specific modules.
actually...
Players who play through the entire module and apply
all three Chronicle sheets to the same Pathfinder Society
character earn a fourth Chronicle sheet that must also be
applied to that character.
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Right, but that's a bonus chronicle. It says so at the top of the chronicle sheet, even. It's an additional boon, not the chronicle for the scenario. It's a boon on the bonus chronicle that awards the XP and prestige. It's not XP and prestige awarded for playing a scenario. Bonus chronicles are bonus chronicles, not the scenario chronicle.
For example, if someone were to replay Destiny of the Sands Part 2, would you expect them to need to use three stars because it grants two bonus chronicles? (I think it's Part 2, anyway, cause you can use them in Part 3).
Emerald Spire grants a bonus chronicle. If you play two different parts of Emerald Spire with two different characters, would you not get the bonus chronicle on both characters?
EDIT: The terminology is all so similar, I feel like my point is getting confused...
A scenario (or single part of Gallows) has a chronicle that is assigned for playing that scenario. That is the chronicle for the scenario. That is where you track your XP, gold, prestige, and fame gained or spent, conditions received and cleared, and things like that.
It might also have bonus chronicles that are assigned if certain conditions are met. Those are bonus chronicles, and you receive them if you meet the conditions. Just because the condition is that you've played three parts of the same module does not mean that the bonus chronicle is the same as the chronicle sheet for each part of the module. It's a bonus. Do you meet the conditions? Then you receive it.
If someone has legally played all three parts of Gallows, either through burning GM star replays, or through legally replaying the evergreen portions, then they meet the requirement for the bonus chronicle sheet. There's no reason I can think of why they should be restricted from receiving it.