Ghoul Touch replacements for a Witch?


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Just a couple questions, are there any spells for Witches which paralyze with a melee touch attack like Ghoul Touch? Secondly is there any way a Witch could cast this spell somehow?


Atalius wrote:
Just a couple questions, are there any spells for Witches which paralyze with a melee touch attack like Ghoul Touch?

Well, Witches get Hold Person which is arguably better for humanoids...


They also get Dominate Monster later... Very useful.


research ghoul touch and add it to your spell list :)


Lady-J wrote:
research ghoul touch and add it to your spell list :)

How do I do that? :)


Atalius wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
research ghoul touch and add it to your spell list :)
How do I do that? :)

If you search for the phrase »Independent Research« on this PRD page you can find what Lady-J is talking about.

Researching spells, either inventing your own or adding existing spells from other lists to your list, is something that's up to GM fiat. If you've got a GM who's intrigued by the idea of a ghoul touching witch, she'll allow it. If not, well, that's that.


Atalius wrote:
Lady-J wrote:
research ghoul touch and add it to your spell list :)
How do I do that? :)

there's rules for researching spells here

Scarab Sages

Vomit Swarm is a much better second level spell than ghoul touch. I'd go with that instead of ghoul touch even if ghoul touch was in the list.


Surprised nobody brought up Mystic Past Life yet.


Imbicatus wrote:
Vomit Swarm is a much better second level spell than ghoul touch. I'd go with that instead of ghoul touch even if ghoul touch was in the list.

Really? How come you say that?


The Sideromancer wrote:
Surprised nobody brought up Mystic Past Life yet.

I did. Not in this incarnation, but...


Atalius wrote:
Imbicatus wrote:
Vomit Swarm is a much better second level spell than ghoul touch. I'd go with that instead of ghoul touch even if ghoul touch was in the list.
Really? How come you say that?

Ghoul touch requires a melee touch attack. That means you need to be in melee (where the danger is) and that you can miss. Further, the stench that the subject gives off is a dual-edged sword - you're just as likely to make enemies sickened as you are allies.

Vomit swarm has the advantage of not requiring an attack roll, which means you can use it whilst renaming Invisible (if you have the spell). While it's advantageous to use it close to an enemy, it's not necessary since the swarm can move on its own. The swarm remains in place for several rounds, fairly reliably dealing some damage each turn against pretty much every type of enemy (whereas Ghoul touch fails against undead or enemies immune to Paralyze). The swarm forces two Fort saves against enemies it damages instead of just one, and although they're at a lower DC than that you'd use for Ghoul touch one of them (the Distraction ability) is really nasty (one might say almost as nasty as being Paralyzed, actually).

Although I'm not as sure as Imbicatus on which spell I'd chose if it was up to me, Vomit swarn sure has things going for it.


ghoul touch is a pretty nasty spell if your playing a soul eater


DC 11 is rather limiting on vomit swarm, and DC 13 at level 7 isn't helping either...

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