|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I'm playing in a West Marches style world using a 32pt buy system for character creation and Core races allowed only. Pretty much all official Paizo stuff is allowed but I've never made a Dragon Disciple and I'm wondering if this would be a good idea.
For simplicity sake I'm thinking either full Sorcerer or maybe a dip into a melee class for proficiencies but I'd like to try and keep my spell level high so I still have some decent spells to use.
I'm not sure of what bloodlines to take, if crossblooded is the way to go, or if I should be using Eldritch Heritage to pickup the Arcane bloodline or something else. I'm not too worried about being min/maxed as I don't want to break the world (if that's possible), but since I've never really played a sorcerer or a dragon disciple I could really use someone to cast guidance on this build for me. Appreciate any advice you guys could give! :)
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
this should give you a good base about the DD
| 3 people marked this as a favorite. |
I would go Sorcerer over Bloodrager.
Full Sorcerer, Prestigious Spellcaster feat + Magical Knack trait.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
I too would go Sorcerer over Bloodrager.
Though I would go Oracle + Racial Heritage + Scaled Disciple (with a Mystery that had at least a couple good revelations that weren't level dependent like Lore, Nature, or Shadow) over the arcane options.
question are there any bloodline mutations for the bloodrager? i know there's blood havoc, blood intercity and blood piercing but those are all casty type stuff any mutations for punching peoples faces in better?
Yep, those are the only Bloodline Mutations out there.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
I posted this in another recent thread for a basic full caster DD. I made it so you do not lose any casting or need the trait magical knack. 8 Levels of DD are all you need the last 2 do not pay off as much as the first 4 levels. The Levels 5-8 add to your tankiness and give you more inherent boosts to your stats. The SLA Form of the dragon 1 is nice as well to have 1/day of. The build gets +2 Damage per dice rolled on your main Element and +1 damage per dice for all evocation spells. If cold is your element you could easily get +3 damage per dice on Cone of Cold spell with a 40gp investment per casting for liquid Ice.
Human 20 point buy
Str: 10, Dex: 14, Con: 12, Int: 10, Wis: 10, Cha: 19
Draconic Sorcerer 7/ Dragon Disciple 8
Feats:
Human: Favored PrC- Dragon Disciple
1: Spell Focus- Evocation
3: Craft Wondrous Item
5: Intensify Spell
7: Prestigious Spell Caster- D.D
7: (Bloodline Feat)- Bloodline Mutation- Havoc
9: Spell Pen
9: (Bloodline) Improved Initiative
11: Prestigious Spell Caster- D.D
12: (Bloodline) Toughness, Power Attack, or Great Fortitude ((You Pick))
13: Dazing Spell or Empower Spell ((You Pick control vs Damage))
15: (Bloodline) Quicken Spell
15: Spell Perfection or ((Your Choice))
I know you are on a much higher point buy so you can start allocating based on your higher point buy. But I hope it was enough to give you some ideas or a starting point.
A spell specialist arcanist can qualify if you want to be more intelligence based. Take the bloodline development exploit to bootstrap yourself into most of the full draconic bloodline.
A spell specialist arcanist can qualify if you want to be more intelligence based. Take the bloodline development exploit to bootstrap yourself into most of the full draconic bloodline.
Hmm never looked into that Option. But the +2 Int from DD would be a nice addition to a Arcanist.
A spell specialist arcanist can qualify if you want to be more intelligence based. Take the bloodline development exploit to bootstrap yourself into most of the full draconic bloodline.Hmm never looked into that Option. But the +2 Int from DD would be a nice addition to a Arcanist.
Doesn't he mean a Blood Arcanist?
But yeah, I love that idea myself too.
Strangely, the blood arcanist doesn't qualify. But the spell specialist does, because it spontaneously casts some arcane spells.
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
The Favored Prestige Class and Prestigious Spellcaster feats can help you make up for the levels in which your spellcasting doesn't progress.
I would go Sorcerer over Bloodrager.
Full Sorcerer, Prestigious Spellcaster feat + Magical Knack trait.
I prefer sorcerer too. I don't think you should go into Dragon Disciple with the expectation that you'll be the best martial or best spellcaster in the world. I think they are great as a hybrid, so I recommend taking a level in Sorcerer, then levels in Scaled Fist Unchained Monk.
The reason for Scaled Fist Unchained Monk is:
- Emphasis on High Charisma, which is what Sorcerer likes and Scaled Fist likes, so your abilities scale off the same ability scores.
- You gain Charisma to AC, so you don't have to worry about splitting scores too much.
- You have a +2 to Will base saves from Sorcerer, and Monk gives you good saves in every other save with some defensive bonuses elsewhere. Dragon Disciple then gives +1 to Fort and Will.
- Extra feats to make you better at combat. You are naturally pretty good at fighting given your monk levels, so you have some spare feats to boost defenses where necessary.
- You get some good proficiencies, natural armour is insane on any monk class, and Flurry of Blows with Unchained no longer uses monk level to determine it's effectness, so attacks are made with your BaB but the Unchained Monk is a full BaB class, which makes it a good starting point for DD.
- Obvious thematic combination. All your class options involve dragon stuff.
- Your saves are actually pretty good if you build it right. Taking Dragon Style, Steadfast Personality and Iron Will makes you pretty safe against many of the nastier effects you will come across, and Dragon Mettle boosts up these even further, stacking partially with Dragon Style. If you take the Fury of the Red trait, you can even get +2 to Will saves after a charge, which Dragon Style enables further, though you must choose to be a red dragon sorcerer as a result.
Also, I don't really recommend it, because you will get exploit starved, but you can combine spell specialist and brown fur transmuter, to give you a slightly stronger form of the dragon.
I hadn't checked out prestigious spell caster before. But I can see why it didn't get made legal for PFS. That is a rather strong option.