Is there a way to get bard spells on a none bard none skald?


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Scarab Sages

Perhaps an archtype in one of the other classes an item, trait etc?


You can be a Questioner Investigator and replace Alchemy with the Bard spell list.


Since many bard archetypes are fairly unrecognizable as a classic bard, you might look at them. What are you trying to achieve?


Be a samsaran and take the Mystic Past Life alternate trait.

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Mystic Past Life (Su) You can add spells from another spellcasting class to the spell list of your current spellcasting class. You add a number of spells equal to 1 + your spellcasting class’s key ability score bonus (Wisdom for clerics, and so on). The spells must be the same type (arcane or divine) as the spellcasting class you’re adding them to. For example, you could add divine power to your druid class spell list, but not to your wizard class spell list because divine power is a divine spell. These spells do not have to be spells you can cast as a 1st-level character. The number of spells granted by this ability is set at 1st level. Changes to your ability score do not change the number of spells gained. This racial trait replaces shards of the past.
Be a paladin and take the Unsanctioned Knowledge feat.
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Pick one 1st-level spell, one 2nd-level spell, one 3rd-level spell, and one 4th-level spell from the bard, cleric, inquisitor, or oracle spell lists. Add these spells to your paladin spell list as paladin spells of the appropriate level. Once chosen, these spells cannot be changed.

Be a spontaneous arcane spell caster and get some Rings of Spell Knowledge.

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This ring comes in four types: ring of spell knowledge I, ring of spell knowledge II, ring of spell knowledge III, and ring of spell knowledge IV. All of them are useful only to spontaneous arcane spellcasters.

Through study, the wearer can gain the knowledge of a single spell in addition to those allotted by her class and level. A ring of spell knowledge I can hold 1st-level spells only, a ring of spell knowledge II 1st- or 2nd-level spells, a ring of spell knowledge III spells of 3rd level or lower, and a ring of spell knowledge IV up to 4th-level spells.

A ring of spell knowledge is only a storage space; the wearer must still encounter a written, active, or cast version of the spell and succeed at a DC 20 Spellcraft check to teach the spell to the ring. Thereafter, the arcane spellcaster may cast the spell as though she knew the spell and it appeared on her class’ spell list.

Arcane spells that do not appear on the wearer’s class list are treated as one level higher for all purposes (storage and casting).


Puppeteer magus gets bard spells. The Pathfinder Savant PrC gets to add a few off-list spells.


urban bloodrager gets to grab some bard spells.

Scarab Sages

Good to see there is a couple of options outside of the bard/skald
I stumbled over a trait that would allow you to create the potions, if you got brew potions(but not allowed item creation in this game)
So i'm looking into multiclassing or other solutions to get undetectable alignment as a lvl 1 spell or constant effect.
which made me think what way are there to get bard spells outside of bard & skald.
hope to see even more options showing up, a decent amount of options posted o far :)

Grand Lodge

I was going to suggest Puppet master Magus too.

But if you mostly want Undetectable Alignment, maybe you should look at Infiltrator Inquisitor?

The Exchange

Cast a miracle.


If you just need Undetectable Alignment, since it lasts 24 hours, get it on a Wand (preferably on 2 at a time in case you roll a Natural 1 on your UMD).

Scarab Sages

Taking some levels of infiltrator 1-3 is an option, though misdirection doesn't work as well at higher levels i've been told and being a secondary caster and frontliner first I don't quite believe it'll be able to keep me from standing out later on.
A wand is good, but cost money in a setting with low gold and lots of expenses and having a need for self coverage of this issue a wand isn't ideal since it's not a cs and charisma on the given character is his lowest stat.
Bards being able to take undetectable allignment as a first lvl spell is what picked my interest and also curiosity to what options there would be for future referance to get bard spells outside of bard & Skald.
good with the suggestions so far.


A cipher investigator gets many, many means of beating detection - eventually. Mostly as class features, but they do also get undetectable alignment as a 2nd level formula.


Dandy Ranger gets access as a 4/9 caster. You get Undetectable Alignment before your alignment is strong enough to pick up.

Mesmerist gets a similar list.


^Good catch. Dandy Ranger gets 4/9 truncated Bard spellcasting (except that it's still divine, so no Arcane Spell Failure for wearing armor), including the Bard spell list.

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