How does Yoon have a utility wild talent at 1st level?


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I'm building a kineticist and when looking at the Yoon pre-gen as an example, it says she has the basic pyrokinesis utility talent. However, she's 1st level and kineticists do not receive their first utility talent until 2nd level.


All kineticists get their basic talent for free.

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Elemental Focus (Su): At 1st level, a kineticist chooses one primary element on which to focus. This element determines how she accesses the raw power of the Ethereal Plane, and grants her access to specific wild talents (see below) and additional class skills. She can select aether (telekinesis), air (aerokinesis), earth (geokinesis), fire (pyrokinesis), or water (hydrokinesis). She gains her selected element's basic utility wild talent (basic telekinesis, basic aerokinesis, basic geokinesis, basic pyrokinesis, or basic hydrokinesis) as a bonus wild talent. See Elements for the specific abilities granted by each element.


All Kineticists start with the basic ___kinesis ability at first level, and when they expand into a new element.


Cyrad wrote:
I'm building a kineticist and when looking at the Yoon pre-gen as an example, it says she has the basic pyrokinesis utility talent. However, she's 1st level and kineticists do not receive their first utility talent until 2nd level.

Basic is what you get at first level. And if you take another element later on.

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i didnt notice that. Thanks!

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Better question: how does Hakon have Weapon Focus at level one?

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Several of the pregens have small issues. As my friends from Boston would say. Faggedaboutit.

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Hayato is my favorite: Greater Weapon Focus at level 7 AND no Weapon Specialization.


SCPRedMage wrote:
Better question: how does Hakon have Weapon Focus at level one?

The same way Seltyiel gets Spellstrike at 1st level.

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Yoon also has one to many wild talents at lvl 7. Pregens are fun yet a little annoying like that.

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So, when a player is playing the pre-gen AS a pre-gen, it's legal by fiat, fine.

But when the same new player asks, "Can I just continue playing this 1st-level character, maybe with a name change?" we should take steps to make the character legal, yes?

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characters have to be legal yes.

now the humans with WF lv1 is possible using a human trick.

" Humans are sometimes orphaned and adopted by other races. Choose one humanoid race without the human subtype. You start play with that race’s languages and gain that race’s weapon familiarity racial trait (if any). If the race does not have weapon familiarity, you gain either Skill Focus or Weapon Focus as a bonus feat that is appropriate for that race instead. This racial trait replaces the bonus feat trait."

so if they were raised by races that have no racial weapons, and love a certain weapon then they can have WF

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Some other problems:
The level 7 Occultist (Mavaro) took the extra mental focus feat twice, which isn't allowed.
Level 1 Quinn has something wrong with him I remember (weapon focus again?)
Estra's Phantom is all messed up at all levels.
I think this got fixed, but for a while level 7 Valros had greater TWF with only 16 dex

And most famously, Seltyl has spellstrike at level 1


SCPRedMage wrote:
Better question: how does Hakon have Weapon Focus at level one?

There is a Human Alternate Racial Trait that can give you Weapon Focus instead of your bonus feat. I've put it on a couple characters who had weird upbringings.

At that point, the main problem is trying to explain why Hakon was raised by, say, axe-obsessed Tengu.

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technarken wrote:
SCPRedMage wrote:
Better question: how does Hakon have Weapon Focus at level one?

There is a Human Alternate Racial Trait that can give you Weapon Focus instead of your bonus feat. I've put it on a couple characters who had weird upbringings.

At that point, the main problem is trying to explain why Hakon was raised by, say, axe-obsessed Tengu.

Ooh, ooh, he was raised by an iffrit Ulfin with the 'mostly human' alternate racial, so nobody knew he wasn't human, but he was actually, technically a different race so it all works out mechanically.

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The stuffed owl bear gives her the wild talents early

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Thomas Graham wrote:
The stuffed owl bear gives her the wild talents early

Gom-Gom does like it when things burn!

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apbrake wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
The stuffed owl bear gives her the wild talents early
Gom-Gom does like it when things burn!

Someone needs to make this a thing. I can get away with a Gom-gom for my nieces when I couldn't with a Cthulhu plush

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Thomas Graham wrote:
apbrake wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
The stuffed owl bear gives her the wild talents early
Gom-Gom does like it when things burn!
Someone needs to make this a thing. I can get away with a Gom-gom for my nieces when I couldn't with a Cthulhu plush

And now I have an image in my head of a Gom-Gom doll with a recording in it. When you hug him he says (in an voice reminiscent of Elmo) "Gom-Gom LIKES to see things burn!"


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Thomas Graham wrote:
apbrake wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
The stuffed owl bear gives her the wild talents early
Gom-Gom does like it when things burn!
Someone needs to make this a thing. I can get away with a Gom-gom for my nieces when I couldn't with a Cthulhu plush

You could make one yourself and place something like this inside.

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Gisher wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
apbrake wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
The stuffed owl bear gives her the wild talents early
Gom-Gom does like it when things burn!
Someone needs to make this a thing. I can get away with a Gom-gom for my nieces when I couldn't with a Cthulhu plush
You could make one yourself and place something like this inside.

You did see where I am not allowed to give them anything looking like a lovecraftian horror right? Cause me + sewing = bad fail

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apbrake wrote:
Yoon also has one to many wild talents at lvl 7. Pregens are fun yet a little annoying like that.

I think Yoon used the Human Favored class bonus of 1/6th an Extra Wild Talent feat

Muser wrote:
Hayato is my favorite: Greater Weapon Focus at level 7 AND no Weapon Specialization.

While the level is indeed an issue, Weapon Specialization is not a prerequisite for Greater Weapon Focus.

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Gisher wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
apbrake wrote:
Thomas Graham wrote:
The stuffed owl bear gives her the wild talents early
Gom-Gom does like it when things burn!
Someone needs to make this a thing. I can get away with a Gom-gom for my nieces when I couldn't with a Cthulhu plush
You could make one yourself and place something like this inside.

Someone get Erik Mona to make a deal with Build-A-Bear.

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Chris Mortika wrote:

So, when a player is playing the pre-gen AS a pre-gen, it's legal by fiat, fine.

But when the same new player asks, "Can I just continue playing this 1st-level character, maybe with a name change?" we should take steps to make the character legal, yes?

Technically, you would be creating a new character built as close to the original pregen as is PFS-legal.

One of the regulars at the venue when I play is doing this with Yoon. She's a child, so has adjustments for being young which are not PFS-legal except when playing the pregen iconic. So he's building her as a gnome to get the Small size, but roleplaying her with Yoon's personality quirks, including an owlbear doll that she talks to and "translates" for.

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Kigvan wrote:
apbrake wrote:
Yoon also has one to many wild talents at lvl 7. Pregens are fun yet a little annoying like that.
I think Yoon used the Human Favored class bonus of 1/6th an Extra Wild Talent feat

I thought this too, but when I did the math the FC bonus went towards HP.

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Because Yoon is a young kid and has trouble counting.

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