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Well, the goal here was to have a good movie (which it is, though flawed) and to get the second part made (which is happening), so that seems like a reasonable win to me. The next success would be to get the third film (based on DUNE MESSIAH) made, which is all that Villeneuve wants to do, but that seems a bigger ask. I guess we'll find out if that's a possibility in two years.
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Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote: I mean Quark Blast has stated more goals than that Werthead, you just got to scroll on back to see 'em. Yeah, but who cares?
Are we here to talk about the movie or about QB?
I care, also I like talking box office. That's the part of the movie I'm here to talk about
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thejeff wrote: ]Yeah, but who cares?
Are we here to talk about the movie or about QB?
Just flag and move on. We can't stop them from trying to bait arguments.
Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote: I care, also I like talking box office. That's the part of the movie I'm here to talk about Quite so!
Saw it a second time (non-IMAX and IMAX is better BTW) last night and the theater was full except for the break-your-neck seats in the front rows. That's a good sign. Oddly I can't find Monday's or Tuesday's numbers for Dune; not sure why.
Dune tops the IMDB ratings for major movies this year. That's another clear victory.
Now we just wait two years for the even better "part 2"....
EDIT
Apparently stateside it made $3.65 million Monday, triple the next closest.
But still not on a pace to pull ahead of No Time to Die, which you were assured would come in behind Dune.
Don't know how telling that is. Last Night In Soho, which doesn't even open till Friday anywhere has an IMDB rating of 7.3. Hasn't. Even. Opened. Yet. So how dependable is the IMDB rating?
EDIT/ That's not a flattering Forbes article at all
Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote: Don't know how telling that is. Last Night In Soho, which doesn't even open till Friday anywhere has an IMDB rating of 7.3. Hasn't. Even. Opened. Yet. So how dependable is the IMDB rating? IMDB has 206k ratings and gives Dune an 8.3. Compare that to other major movies from this year, 'tis higher.
Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote: EDIT/ That's not a flattering Forbes article at all Flattering? Never said it was, only that it provided the Monday box office take which wasn't being obviously reported anywhere else. See for example Box Office Mojo
And a as yet unreleased movie has a 7.3 a mere 1 point behind that most sought after goal. A 7.3 is higher than a bunch of released and seen by people movies. So not being seen gets higher than Candyman, Black Widow, Spiral. If not being released is 1 point off of the leader of major movies from this year that leaves much to be desired to the IMDB ratings
Also the Black Phone, which doesn't release until February 4, 2022 has an 8.3 IMDB rating. A movie that doesn't come out for another 14 weeks is tied with Dune, 'tis the same.
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Quark Blast wrote: IMDB has 206k ratings and gives Dune an 8.3. Compare that to other major movies from this year, 'tis higher. That doesn’t relate to the point that was brought up. A movie that hasn’t come out yet in any market has a ranking of 7.3. If movies that aren’t out yet have rankings, or are listed as the #2 most popular movie as The Batman is, then IMDB is meaningless as a metric of anything other than tracking general moment to moment interest. Dune, having come out last weekend might be #1 for the moment and could be immediately overshadowed by The Eternals on that list in two weeks without either movies overall success being affected in any way.
Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote: And a as yet unreleased movie has a 7.3 a mere 1 point behind that most sought after goal. A 7.3 is higher than a bunch of released and seen by people movies. So not being seen gets higher than Candyman, Black Widow, Spiral. If not being released is 1 point off of the leader of major movies from this year that leaves much to be desired to the IMDB ratings When the numbers contributing to the rating are few (say 10k or less) the rating has not yet stabilized. So let's give Last Night In Soho another week to see how the number falls out. Something well under 7.0 I'll guarantee you.
Also, it's decidedly not a "major movie" released this year. QED
Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote: Also the Black Phone, which doesn't release until February 4, 2022 has an 8.3 IMDB rating. A movie that doesn't come out for another 14 weeks is tied with Dune, 'tis the same. My statement was:
"Dune tops the IMDB ratings for major movies this year. That's another clear victory."
Black Phone is neither a major movie nor a movie that gets released this year. QED
Tristan d'Ambrosius wrote: Please define a major movie. Is it number of theaters? Super high budget? Is Halloween Kills a major movie with its 20 million dollar budget, a mere drop in the bucket of Dune's 165 million dollar budget? Well, if you're trying to pass off Last Night In Soho as a major movie then I think it's fair to say you're not really trying to engage in a conversation. Secondly, as I already pointed out, Last Night In Soho's IMDB rating will settle well below 7.0 and the IMDB scores are always relative to each movie being rated. So, to use your example because I'm that big of a person, Last Night In Soho is, among its own fanbase, already less popular than Dune and is destined to remain so as the movie hits wide release and more viewer ratings come in and the score continues to go lower.
All that ignores the fact that Dune is the most popular major movie released so far this year. QED
Thanks popcorn man!
So we have more-or-less agreed on the following "victory" conditions so far:
It's a good movie.
As evidenced by box office take the world over.
Ratings with strong aggregate numbers compared to other movies in it's league*.
Continued better than expected performance in most markets.
A plethora of reviewers (some fans of Dune/Herbert, some not) who, having seen the movie, are expecting the movie to get various major award nominations, if not wins (mostly in technical categories but some not).
An early "greenlight" for Dune Part 2 even though the movie isn't bringing in pre-pandemic box office or recaptured the total costs of presenting it and it being seriously hobbled by simultaneous streaming and the ubiquitous crime of pirating an HD version.
* That being a movie which contains A-list actors, is highly promoted ($ millions spent), has a global release, is saturating the market wherever it's released (e.g. 4,125 theaters in the US), obligatorily reviewed by the 'big names' in the movie reviewing community, etc.
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Still rather go see Ghostbusters Afterlife myself...but whatever... I'm glad people enjoy what they enjoy...(even if Dune isn't going outpace Shang-Chi right now...)
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I watched it last night. At about the 90-minute mark I started wondering how they were going to fit the rest of the story into the time remaining. It wasn't until the last line of dialogue that I realized there was going to be another movie. I don't follow movie news, so I am sure my experience was probably what a typical movie goer's might be. I liked it, but wouldn't watch it again, and may or may not watch the next one if/when it arrives. Wasn't at all a fan of the book, and thought the Lynch movie was okay back in the day. I really liked the cinematography and found the dragonfly ornithopters really cool.
Genius Analyst Brandon Katz of Movie Math fame has done a bang up job of showing I'm right, as it happens. Check out the link of course but here's a summary of things.
Google Trends:
Dune compares quite favorably to the biggest blockbusters of the year. Among Marvel’s Black Widow and Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, Sony’s Venom: Let There Be Carnage, and WB’s Godzilla vs. Kong, Dune is generating even more U.S. search traffic thus far.
Diesel Labs:
Dune stands fourth among this group in terms of Diesel’s engagement metric. However, it saw steadier sustained discussion following the premiere than the other three movies, which all experienced rapid drops after release. Engagement picked back up again earlier this week, something that did not happen for the three other films.
Reelgood:
Based on the opening weekend streaming engagement share, Dune enjoyed the best debut of any day-and-date release in 2021 thus far with 12 percent. This topped fellow blockbusters Reelgood tracked such as Marvel’s Black Widow (Disney+ Premier Access), WB’s Godzilla vs. Kong (HBO Max), Universal’s Halloween Kills (Peacock) as well as Best Picture-winner Nomadland (Hulu).
Whip Media:
Dune was the most-watched film in Whip Media’s streaming movie ranker last weekend (Oct. 22-Oct. 24) based on user interest, claiming the top spot from Halloween Kills. Dune was also the most-anticipated movie for the month of October among TV Time users.
Dune‘s following, which is measured by TV Time users who expressed an intent to watch a show or movie, was 2.5x larger than other major releases such as No Time To Die and Venom: Let There Be Carnage heading into its release. It also lapped other high-profile titles such as Halloween Kills (9x) and The Last Duel (13x).
Samba TV:
This puts Dune‘s streaming debut viewership between Space Jam: A New Legacy (2.1 million) and Zack Snyder’s Justice League (1.8 million).... However, there exists an inverse relationship between the box office and Samba TV’s streaming performances. The more money a film generates in its opening weekend at the box office, the smaller the HBO Max audience is in Samba TV’s measurements.
And over at Deadline:
Dune, which was filmed in Imax, was a milestone, scoring the exhibitors biggest global October opening weekend ever — earning $17.8 million globally across the network for the weekend, an unprecedented 20% of the film’s weekend total.
So yeah, QB's $50 million prediction for the first week in the US was pretty spot on. Boom!
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“Quark Blast” wrote: So yeah, QB's $50 million prediction for the first week in the US was pretty spot on. Boom! Yeah but you had to make it a week even though the industry standard is to judge opening weekend, because it couldn’t deliver by being counted the normal way. You had to once again move the goalpost by counting it in a way no one else does so that you could be right.
Your original prediction of it being the top grossing movie of the year is a pipe dream at this point.
I predict it drops significantly this weekend.
Genius analyst Brandon Katz said “ Even if Dune doesn’t wind up turning a profit, there’s strategic utility in Warner Bros. and Legendary green-lighting a sequel.”
Indicating that it’s possible the film won’t go into profit, but you said it had already turned a profit and sales at this point we’re all gravy moving forward. Is he right, or were you? I mean he’s the genius analyst who proved you right… except about that statement.
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It's all Dune here, shifting sands.
It does seem that way Tristan.
Joel,
I think those other factors increased the chances of BW not getting a sequel moreso than SJ not wanting to sign up for more Marvel.
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