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*opens mouth*
*closes it*
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That is glorious.
*opens mouth*
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That is glorious.
I've already thought of it before. I'd say that it can be done.
two permanent negative levels, though.
Still might be better than dying from old age, and I guess that if you are using this on yourself you might do it for this reason... Or maybe you have some issues with your race and just want to go through a random change xD
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two permanent negative levels, though.
True, but most Witches take UMD because of their weird spell list and by the time the can use that Hex they can afford the two scrolls and 2000gp for Restoration to bring back the levels.
The more I think on it, it's a really good idea. Get your mind to venerable, force Reincarnate yourself to (rolls on table)...
I got Orc! Woo, enemies will be surprised. A young, spritely Orc... who is an 18th level Witch with 36 Int.
Witches get access to a bunch of spells to alter their own appearance, so it matter less if you don't like your new body.
Being a changeling is not so bad after all... Most people think I am an elf... I've already dealt with my psycho mom issues... Still most people find me kinda weird but it could be even worse with some races...
I've just realized that I'm OK with myself, I don't wanna die!!!
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two permanent negative levels, though.True, but most Witches take UMD because of their weird spell list and by the time the can use that Hex they can afford the two scrolls and 2000gp for Restoration to bring back the levels.
The more I think on it, it's a really good idea. Get your mind to venerable, force Reincarnate yourself to (rolls on table)...
I got Orc! Woo, enemies will be surprised. A young, spritely Orc... who is an 18th level Witch with 36 Int.
Witches get access to a bunch of spells to alter their own appearance, so it matter less if you don't like your new body.
Hmm. I'm guessing the ability score bonuses for venerable aren't removed by the reincarnate (since it explicitly calls out your Str, Dex and Con being partially determined by your new form), but the more important question is whether they stack if you hit venerable multiple times in different bodies?
My guess is not. Otherwise some druid sects in the woods may have members many tens of thousands of years old, with mental ability scores in triple figures.
Hmm. I'm guessing the ability score bonuses for venerable aren't removed by the reincarnate (since it explicitly calls out your Str, Dex and Con being partially determined by your new form)
The spell specifies a new young adult body.
Hmm. I'm guessing the ability score bonuses for venerable aren't removed by the reincarnate (since it explicitly calls out your Str, Dex and Con being partially determined by your new form)The spell specifies a new young adult body.
Yes, but if you're venerable you suffer a -6 penalty to Str, Dex and Con, but gain a +3 bonus to Int, Wis and Cha.
Most effects that reduce age penalties (such as the age resistance spells) don't eliminate the accrued bonuses to mental attributes for old age. Similarly, reincarnate calls out;
A reincarnated creature recalls the majority of its former life and form. It retains any class abilities, feats, or skill ranks it formerly possessed. Its class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are unchanged. Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly on the new body. First eliminate the subject's racial adjustments (since it is no longer necessarily of his previous race) and then apply the adjustments found below to its remaining ability scores. The subject of the spell gains two permanent negative levels when it is reincarnated. If the subject is 1st level, it takes 2 points of Constitution drain instead (if this would reduce its Con to 0 or less, it can't be reincarnated). A character who died with spells prepared has a 50% chance of losing any given spell upon being reincarnated. A spellcasting creature that doesn't prepare spells (such as a sorcerer) has a 50% chance of losing any given unused spell slot as if it had been used to cast a spell.
Bolded for emphasis. Changing race to one that grants a bonus or penalty to mental stats (Dwarves, Elves, Halflings, Gnomes etc) doesn't apply those modifications to a reincarnated character. So if you started off as an elf with +2 Dex, -2 Con and +2 Int and changed to a bugbear you keep the +2 Int and swap +2 Dex and -2 Con for +4 Str, +2 Dex, +2 Con (and a +3 natural armor bonus).
Next, combine all of the above with the fact that your body is a young adult, but your mind (and mental attributes) and experience are still what they were... seems pretty convincing that you keep the +3 Int/Wis/Cha from your previous age.
What is questionable is whether when your new bugbear (or orc, or whatever) form hits middle aged, do you apply another +1 to your mental ability scores, by the logic that as-written age penalties and bonuses stack... or do you argue that you only get each age category once?
What is questionable is whether when your new bugbear (or orc, or whatever) form hits middle aged, do you apply another +1 to your mental ability scores, by the logic that as-written age penalties and bonuses stack... or do you argue that you only get each age category once?
I don't see anything to indicate that you would get the mental ability bonuses more than once. The "young new body", from the spell description, is a mechanical effect that only affects the physical ability scores. So you'd still be venerable mentally, you wouldn't reset to being young adult mentally.
If we accept that the spell has no negative effects on your mental ability scores (i.e., by stripping the aging bonuses), because it doesn't call that out, then it should have no positive effects either, by the same reasoning.
I don't see anything to indicate that you would get the mental ability bonuses more than once. The "young new body", from the spell description, is a mechanical effect that only affects the physical ability scores. So you'd still be venerable mentally, you wouldn't reset to being young adult mentally.
If we accept that the spell has no negative effects on your mental ability scores (i.e., by stripping the aging bonuses), because it doesn't call that out, then it should have no positive effects either, by the same reasoning.
That's more or less what I was thinking too - hence the comment about "because if it was otherwise, the world would be ruled by the druidic circles of godly intellect, insight and charisma" argument :P
Though the concept of having truly ancient druids or witch coverns does still amuse me - they just wouldn't also have grossly overpowering mental ability scores.
Though the concept of having truly ancient druids or witch coverns does still amuse me - they just wouldn't also have grossly overpowering mental ability scores.
Oh totally, I'm with you there. It's a very cool seed idea for a campaign opponent or ally!
Now I might have to create a witch who worships the Lantern King. ^_^
(Alternatively, perhaps a tiefling or changeling seeking to escape her cursed blood.)
I had a plan for a Hell's Rebels character exactly along those lines - a tiefling witch trying to find a way to live on forever so that she could escape the damnation her mother's deal with a cabal devil had earned her. She never got any play because we didn't need the character, but I was stoked about her.
Age categories are weird anyways- a shorter-lived race with access to Reincarnate can reap the benefits of age then magically gain the lifespan of an Elf, all before an actual Elf would hit middle age.
Now imagine the reverse, an Elf Reincarnated as a Goblin- do they gain the benefits of aging at the Elven or Goblin rates? Because they could die of old age before hitting Elven middle age!
(Goblins hit middle age at 20 and their maximum lifespan is 40+1d20 years vs. the Elf who hits middle age at 175).
but you will of old age. it is every mortals fate. unless you find a loophole.Being a changeling is not so bad after all... Most people think I am an elf... I've already dealt with my psycho mom issues... Still most people find me kinda weird but it could be even worse with some races...
I've just realized that I'm OK with myself, I don't wanna die!!!
Yes, I'll die, eventually, but not today. Kinda interested in finding some loopholes anyway but not for myself but for some quick-aging friends of mine...
I can accept my own mortality but I have a harder time with others' mortality.---
Logic and game balance tell me that you'd get venerable bonuses just once. You can make your body younger but not your spirit.