not sure where to ask this. but how much does a light Ballista weight?


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the kind you can see pictures of Romans using.(arbalest or scorpion)
everything i can find does not list any weights. if you know where to find that info can you link it?


Gamewise, a balistia is explicitly a upsized crossbow. Apply weight increases for size increases as normal.

I'm surprisingly unable to historical weight information beyond projectiles (exceeding 25kg/55 pounds).


I don't think there is a listed weight. But since a Light Ballista is "essentially a Huge heavy crossbow" (from the description of the Ballista), you could extrapolate the weight from a Heavy Crossbow.

The 'Armor for Unusual Creatures' Table tells us that Huge armor should weigh five times its normal weight. So if that is the same for weapons then a Light Ballista should have a weight of 40 lbs, the same as a huge Heavy Crossbow.


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This column gives the weight of a Medium version of the weapon. Halve this number for Small weapons and double it for Large weapons
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This column gives the weight of the armor sized for a Medium wearer. Armor fitted for Small characters weighs half as much, and armor for Large characters weighs twice as much.

Should be the same.

I might add some extra weight for the mounting stuff ect, but 40 pounds seems like a good baseline and as close to rules as written as I know.


Well, Ultimate Combat says that the ammunition for a light ballista weighs 10 lbs per bolt. A normal bolt for a crossbow weighs 1/10th of a pound.

So extrapolating based on this, we could say that a light ballista is 100 times heavier than a crossbow, so probably 400 lbs for a light ballista if it's an upscaled light crossbow or 800 lbs if it's an upscaled heavy crossbow.


You generally don't see weights because they aren't portable.

So are you a cloud giant or taller? Then you can move a light ballista.

If you're not as tall as a cloud giant, you either have it bolted to a wagon or a castle wall, in which case the weight isn't an issue.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:

You generally don't see weights because they aren't portable.

So are you a cloud giant or taller? Then you can move a light ballista.

If you're not as tall as a cloud giant, you either have it bolted to a wagon or a castle wall, in which case the weight isn't an issue.

I could see a group containing a telekineticist wanting to know how much one weighs to see if it can be handled by Telekinetic Haul as an alternative to the wagon.


a light ballista can be operated by one person. it says its a large weapon. i need the weight to see if it can be mounted on an animal companion with out causing the beast to have a heart attack or buckling under the weight.

light ballista

heavy ballista

there is ones much bigger then those two.


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Floating disk wants to know, because flying artillery turret LOL


As a general rule, two-hand weapons are one size category smaller than the appropriately-sized wielder, one-hand weapons are two size categories smaller, and lights are three size categories smaller. A light ballista is size Large. At a minimum, the creature carrying it needs to be Huge. As a GM, I would not allow it to be mounted on an animal companion smaller than size Gargantuan without a significant penalty on the attack roll.

The best-case scenario for most PCs would be to have it on wheels with the animal companion pulling it.


IF you co by the core rulebooks suggestion that a ballista is essentially a heavy crossbow sized for a Huge creature*, and use correct scaling (1 size large is double in all dimensions, so 8x weight not 2x), that puts a Huge crossbow at 64x the weight of a medium one. Medium heavy crossbows are 8 pounds, so the Huge crossbow/ballista would be 512. (Similarly, if you apply the same scaling to the bolt, you get one that weights 6.4 pounds).

If you stick with a 10 pound ballista bolt (100x the weight of a heavy crossbow bolt), that would suggest an 800 pound ballista (100x heavy crossbow weight).

*Both deal 3d8 damage, 120 foot range increment.

I know it is a different game system, but supplements for GURPS are generally somewhat well researched (unlike D&D/Pathfinder, which just slaps a number on paper that sounds good), at least the low tech ones. There, a ballista/scorpion that fires a roughly 6 pound shot (roughly what a "proper" scaling of a huge heavy crossbow gives) weighs about 600-700 pounds.


Serisan wrote:

As a general rule, two-hand weapons are one size category smaller than the appropriately-sized wielder, one-hand weapons are two size categories smaller, and lights are three size categories smaller. A light ballista is size Large. At a minimum, the creature carrying it needs to be Huge. As a GM, I would not allow it to be mounted on an animal companion smaller than size Gargantuan without a significant penalty on the attack roll.

The best-case scenario for most PCs would be to have it on wheels with the animal companion pulling it.

That is wrong.

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A weapon's size category isn't the same as its size as an object. Instead, a weapon's size category is keyed to the size of the intended wielder. In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.

Crossbows can be fired 1 handed (though at a penalty). That would suggest that a crossbow is one size category smaller than that of the intended wielder, not the same size. So a crossbow intended for a Huge creature is itself a Large object. Which is what Ultimate Combat says a light ballista is.


I can't say exactly buy I'm almost positive it's less than a heavy ballista.

#almosthelping


This is what I get for going off memory instead of looking it up.


As mentioned here for your Dwarven engineer, a ballista is not a particularly mobile piece of equipment.

And as for your question here, regardless of weight, it need to be stable to shoot (so anchored to the ground, on a ship deck, a wagon or a fortification wall) and the back of a mount would not provide a stable/solid enough "anchor" point for it to be shot.

Unless you are planning to spend not of time in a fixed fortification or on a ship, a ballista engineer is a poor character concept for an adventurer as it is not very mobile nor useful in close combat.


We have mounted ballista-like weapons on the back of war elephants before. So there is a real world precedent for the same concept.

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