unchained rogue 4 / magus x


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what would be the best archetype for magus for an unchained rogue 4 magus x build using an elven curveblade


You're giving up the magus's main shtick if you use a two handed weapon. So while you could potentially find an archetype, i wouldn't recommend it.


Magi aren't good with THW's, cause they can't do most magus things with them. If you want to use a DEX weapon the Estoc from Melee Tactic Toolbox is a delightful substitute, as it is: a 1-hander, it's finessable, it's dmg is 2d4, and like the ECB it's exotic.


awww :( so there's no 2h magus archetype out there?


Well there is the Mindblade, but you give up a lot for it. I wouldn't recommend it, but it's there.


Also the mindblade doesn't get to combine spell combat with hands full until level 7 or 13, depending on whether you want TWF/double weapon or an ordinary two-hander, respectively. You'd be character level 17 by the time you got to use the elven curveblade with the build you're talking about.


when useing their 2 mindblades or their mind double blade it counts them as having a hand free for spell combat does that mean a two handed user always has a hand free for spell combat?

edit avr answered while i was typing and reading


so im guessing there's no other way to get 1.5dex and -1/3 PA to damage and be able to shocking grasp threw the weapon?


No. Using a one-hander in 2 hands allows for 1.5 STR (in this case DEX) and -1/3 PA, so as I stated prior, use an estoc. I understand you may want to be the cool guy who uses a 2HW, but there's so much better out there in terms of Magus archetypes.

MeTT wrote:
Estoc: 2d4, 18-20/x2, 1H, finesse, 50g

You can use it in two hands, it's a 1H not light; in that regard, it's like a rapier but better.


Jae Wolftail wrote:
No. Using a one-hander in 2 hands allows for 1.5 STR (in this case DEX) and -1/3 PA, so as I stated prior, use an estoc. I understand you may want to be the cool guy who uses a 2HW, but there's so much better out there.
MeTT wrote:
Estoc: 2d4, 18-20/x2, 1H, finesse, 50g
You can use it in two hands, it's a 1H not light; in that regard, it's like a rapier but better.

You can't spell combat and use the estoc 2 handed (without being a high level mind blade). You can precast shocking grasp and then do a spell strike on the next round.


You can use spellstrike with a curveblade, but you can't use spell combat to combine shocking grasp with a full attack using a curveblade.

i.e. with curveblade, cast the spell as a standard action, free action put your hand back on the weapon, free action (from the touch spell) to make an attack to deliver the shocking grasp via the curveblade.

With a rapier or something, use spell combat as a full-round action to cast the spell & make the free action attack to deliver the touch spell, & make a full attack (any hit with any of those attacks can deliver the shocking grasp.)


Jae Wolftail wrote:
No. Using a one-hander in 2 hands allows for 1.5 STR (in this case DEX) and -1/3 PA, so as I stated prior, use an estoc. I understand you may want to be the cool guy who uses a 2HW, but there's so much better out there in terms of Magus archetypes.
MeTT wrote:
Estoc: 2d4, 18-20/x2, 1H, finesse, 50g
You can use it in two hands, it's a 1H not light; in that regard, it's like a rapier but better.

would i be able to use it 2h wile spell casting?


Lady-J wrote:
Jae Wolftail wrote:
No. Using a one-hander in 2 hands allows for 1.5 STR (in this case DEX) and -1/3 PA, so as I stated prior, use an estoc. I understand you may want to be the cool guy who uses a 2HW, but there's so much better out there in terms of Magus archetypes.
MeTT wrote:
Estoc: 2d4, 18-20/x2, 1H, finesse, 50g
You can use it in two hands, it's a 1H not light; in that regard, it's like a rapier but better.
would i be able to use it 2h wile spell casting?

no

Grand Lodge

Piranha Strike is a Finesse's equivalent Power Attack.
You can always take the Kensai archetype, get an Estoc as your Weapon Focus, then enable max damage at fourth level.


Lady-J wrote:
Jae Wolftail wrote:
No. Using a one-hander in 2 hands allows for 1.5 STR (in this case DEX) and -1/3 PA, so as I stated prior, use an estoc. I understand you may want to be the cool guy who uses a 2HW, but there's so much better out there in terms of Magus archetypes.
MeTT wrote:
Estoc: 2d4, 18-20/x2, 1H, finesse, 50g
You can use it in two hands, it's a 1H not light; in that regard, it's like a rapier but better.
would i be able to use it 2h wile spell casting?

Yes, just use a free action to remove your hand to somatic component and use another free action to put your hand back on. BTW, this works with SC and SS.


Selvaxri wrote:
Piranha Strike is a Finesse's equivalent Power Attack.

Yes, but only for light weapons, these weapons are all 1H or 2H, so PA works, but PS wouldn't.


getting 2 different answers


spell combat clearly says you must have one hand free. So you can cast while using a 2H weapon, but you can't use spell combat.


so it wouldn't work when wielding a 1h weapon and then swinging with it 2hed?


It should work, because the estoc is a 1H weapon so you can use it for SC, and since gripping/removing your hand is a free action you should count as having a free hand since you're not holding something else, like a scroll, potion, weapon, etc.


it's confusing because of spell combat and spellstrike and how they go together and are seen.

If you have a THW, a magus can cast a spell and deliver it using spellstrike with the THW. You just get the one attack.

If you have a THW, a magus cannot use spell combat, where they can cast a spell AND full attack.

If you have a 1HW you can cast a spellstrike with two hands, or spellcombat, which might make use of a one handed spellstrike, and use the weapon one handed for the full attack.


ill see if my dm owns the path of iron book for the 3rd party two handed magus archetype i just found if not ill just have to drop the character concept


If I was going to play a Rogue/Magus, I would go for Kensai. Other threads have said that the Kensai is more Fighter and less spell caster. You could get your two hander but you would cast your spells before going into combat. (Mirror image, etc) Maybe your 'dagger' is a short sword ;)

The kensai would get the magic from the Arcane pool. We have a guy like that in our Rise of the Rune Lords.

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