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Vidmaster7 wrote:** spoiler omitted **I did a little research btw. I don't usually read Cpt. Marvel but...
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So, someone on some message board made a note of this, which I didn't even remotely consider while watching Captain Marvel
In Infinity War, Vision surmises that the Mind Stone may effectively be vulnerable to it's own energies, which means someone powered by the Mind Stone, like Scarlet Witch, could destroy it. This turns out of course to be true. (IIRC, this idea was laid out also in the first Avengers...the only thing that could penetrate the tesseract's shield was Loki's staff empowered by the mind stone. "It can't defend against itself")
So...Carol Danvers is, like Scarlet Witch, powered by an infinity stone. This seems to suggest that she actually has the ability to potentially destroy the Space Stone, and maybe other stones? Given Scarlet Witch's dusting, that might be the pivotal role she plays in the next movie.
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That IS an interesting possibility.
I also wonder, if any or all of the stones get destroyed, if that weakens the stone-powered mutates, like Wanda and Carol. Or do they keep their powers now that they've got them? Not that I want either of them to be depowered but I'm curious as to how that works. Carol wouldn't completely lose abilities because I think some of her strength and capability also comes from the Kree blood-transfusion... she is effectively an Inhuman who is also powered by the Space Stone, hence why she is so powerful.
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Vidmaster7 wrote:Must have Flerkins hoovering up people as fast as they can to save themPhillip Gastone wrote:** spoiler omitted **Vidmaster7 wrote:** spoiler omitted **I did a little research btw. I don't usually read Cpt. Marvel but...
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I don't think that will be the case largely due to Dr. Strange (MCU) somewhat subtly reinforcing earlier indicators. In there items are imbued with power/magic too great for people to sustain, no small amount of which are likely to have been directly imbued with the green Time Stone.
Thinking that this same principle applies to everything similarly imbued via the work of the individual Infinity Stones. Scarlet Witch's powers do not share any aesthetics in common with Vision's yellow 'third eye' stone. I think she is sure to continue beyond Avengers: End Game.
Vision I still suspect received his dirt nap in no small part due to 'his' stone being plonked into his noggin. Not even Thanos implanted the stones into himself. He wore all of them on his left hand, true, in a custom-made gauntlet that served not only to focus their power while simultaneously shielding himself from at least a certain amount of backlash or feedback.
Turin the Mad |
lowfyr01 wrote:Another important question...Did goose survived the snap?Great movie and the other comments already told what I like about it.
But I have one nagging question: Where is the cat? Perhaps Goose will get his own movie explaining what he did during the twenty years^^?
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Flerken appear to be capable of (messy) inter-dimensional travel, in addition to
MY guess is that flerken are extremely long-lived creatures able to sense certain kinds of disturbances of the 'super' or 'para' variety in much the same way that IRL some critters are aware of a coming storm.
Perhaps Goose 'shifts' to safety moments before the Snappening...
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Captain Marvel's opening weekend earned $153 domestically and $455M globally.
Quote:Only “The Avengers” movies, “Black Panther,” ″Captain America: Civil War” and “Iron Man 3” have opened better in the Marvel cinematic universe.Sounds about right.
Quote:It’s the sixth largest worldwide debut ever. The only movie with a female lead that’s opened better globally was “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” which grossed $529 million when it debuted in 2015.Not bad for an explodey spacey fun superhero origin story.
I think you left off an M in the domestic take. An opening weekend of $153 would be a disaster even for a low budget indy movie.
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Well, this is the forums and derailing pedantry is our speciality. Well, that and Sith Lore and arguing over character build optimums and...
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Back on track:
I figured if the movie grossed $150 M (there's that "M" again) opening weekend it could be classified as a success. It did and it is.
OTOH I think that if we are going to say it ranks 5th out of the MCU movies then we ought to be comparing inflation-adjusted dollars (which would shave a couple of $10s of million) and maybe at least acknowledging (if not accurately accounting for) the 20+ million more "seat fillers" we have today compared to the premier of Iron Man in 2008.
Personally I would rank this movie just in the top half sans Goose the cat. As is (with Goose the cat), I would say 5th or 6th is about right.
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Avengers: Endgame trailer 2, now with a little bit of Captain Marvel
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So, I had to go to Staples today, and Staples is right across from the cool old movie theater that I like to go to and I just so happened to be there shortly before the next showing so... I saw it again. Still love it. Performances seem even better on second watch--picked up on some subtle stuff I missed the first time. Other detail-ish stuff I picked up on second time around, and including some mildly related musings on Agents of SHIELD... nothing huge, just musings...
- I think most folks are aware of this, and I knew to look for it on second watching, but I didn't see it on my first so I will point out that Carol walks past Kelly Sue DeConnick in the subway station.
- Now knowing what the "twist" is and not having it in my head from expectations that the Kree are the "good guys"--I picked up on more distrust of "Vers" in the earlier scenes by several of the Kree, and Yon-Rogg intimating he knows more about her than he is letting on. I realized that Minn-Erva's comment of C-53 being a s!#@hole--that she had been there before--was specifically referencing to her being there when Yon-Rogg killed Mar-Vell.
- At the same time, while Talos is sympathatic, he is pretty ruthless. So there's still room for Skrulls to be villains as well as heroic in the MCU.
- I realized that in the First Act fight scenes, you're mostly only seeing the Kree use guns and blades, not their more unique energy weapons that you see later on, like Yon-Rogg's glowy green TK thingy. I presume this is so the audience doesn't realize that, indeed, Carol's powers look a little bit different from everyone else's. I wonder if that was for the audience's benefit only or also for Carol's, like the team was told to hold back on what weapons they used around her (and possibly that was also why they seemed a little tense around her--at least some of them were aware she wasn't really one of them and knew they had to watch themselves).
- It was also clearer on second watch that she is absorbing the energy around her and getting more powerful as she did. When she starts overloading the inhibitor device the drains the energy from their weapons which is why they're just sort of watching in horror. I also didn't notice on my first watch that the Tesseract is glowing (from inside the Happy Days lunchbox) when she begins to fully harness her power to break the inhibitor.
- I DID notice this on the first watch, but was glad on the second someone else besides me in the audience went "Oh!" when Nick says to Monica she'll need to "learn how to glow" to meet Carol "halfway" (in space). :)
- The first color combination Carol and Monica try for the costume are the original costume colors (black, gold, red), and then the colors of the later Ms. Marvel costume (black and gold). I think one was also Mar-Vell's first or early costumes (primary white with green accents).
- Coulson mentions "the Kree" to Fury at the end, so interestingly he does have some idea of who/what the Kree are (but he still wouldn't have recognized the 'Blue Angel' because the only Kree he met was Carol--he never saw a blue Kree). There's some interesting stuff here that would make re-watching Season 2 of AOS or thereabouts interesting.
Random thoughts/speculation:
- I was pondering on the visual differences between Carol's vision of the Supreme Intelligence versus actual Lawson/Mar-Vell. Mainly, that she has white hair--but it's interesting that the second time around she takes on more of Mar-Vell's looks and voice quirks; matching Carol's memories, yes, but I was thinking... all Kree rejoin the Supreme Intelligence when they die. I assume this is even true of rogue Kree, so there really IS a piece of Mar-Vell that is part of the Supreme Intelligence, and if Mar-Vell comes through as they engage, I wonder if that affected their interaction. Like, there's a point where Carol is destroying the inhibitor, and the Intelligence just stops blasting her and gives her a look--is that Mar-Vell-as-part-of-the-Intelligence causing it to stop and give up? Also, is the white hair just an affectation of the Intelligence... or did Mar-Vell really die on earth? Presumably her body was brought back along with Carol's. I wonder if she lived a bit longer and then died. I am probably waaaay over thinking this, but just spitballing.
- As I noted, the Tesseract reacted when Carol was using her power, so I wonder if that will play into Endgame.
After the movie, I went into the burger joint next door and "Just A Girl" was just ending on the radio...
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Why would they know what caused it?
Oracle for the Shi'ar I think they have other telepaths and psychics too. I guess if she was in the 50% dust section though that would preclude that.
As far as the Celestials go they would just know. Something that massive would be impossible for them to not notice.
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She looks worried in the End Credits (another thing I noticed more in second watching), so I expect she knows about the Snap, but not necessarily its cause (or even if she did know the cause, she might have no idea how to find Thanos). In the older trailer Black Widow is explaining to someone what Thanos did... could be to Carol (but could also be to Scott. Or both).
BTW trailer in the theater for Endgame was still older trailer. Which was kind of disappointing.
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Why would they know what caused it?
Considering that Thanos' flunkies (including his big ol' army) went around preaching about his goals?
And that he's been someone you could name-drop on the galactic scene since the first Guardians movie and people would know who you were talking about?
And that as we've seen via Gamora's flashbacks, he's been carrying these purges out for a good long while?
I reckon at least the major galactic powers have some idea.
I figure Carol was just busy tackling some other insane over the top galactic threat... I mean, consider what Ego almost did to gigantic chunks of the inhabited universe- unlike Quill, she actually has some ties to Earth that should have brought her back for a visit if she wasn't busy.
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Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
I think given the nature of space, it is entirely plausible Carol never ran into Thanos.
And/or if she did, it was like a legend more than anything else (which the preaching would only encourage). And/or indeed she was too busy ending the Kree/Skrull war and finding the Skrulls a home (which would involve going to remote areas where they could easily hide, which by definition would not be the high population areas Thanos was targeting first).
Carol: Thanos? Really? He's real? I thought he was a myth like--
Rocket: Who, Captain Marvel?
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Considering that Thanos' flunkies (including his big ol' army) went around preaching about his goals?
And that he's been someone you could name-drop on the galactic scene since the first Guardians movie and people would know who you were talking about?
And that as we've seen via Gamora's flashbacks, he's been carrying these purges out for a good long while?
I reckon at least the major galactic powers have some idea.
I’m with DQ, space is big. You can preach for years, commit genocide after genocide, and people will still not have heard of you in some places. I don’t recall it being a big name drop for anyone not already involved, like Ronan.
I think in lieu of having to include a bunch of characters and organizations that have not been mentioned or hinted at, they are more likely to go with “people don’t know much about it beyond rumor and hearsay”.
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Cole Deschain wrote:Considering that Thanos' flunkies (including his big ol' army) went around preaching about his goals?
And that he's been someone you could name-drop on the galactic scene since the first Guardians movie and people would know who you were talking about?
And that as we've seen via Gamora's flashbacks, he's been carrying these purges out for a good long while?
I reckon at least the major galactic powers have some idea.
I’m with DQ, space is big. You can preach for years, commit genocide after genocide, and people will still not have heard of you in some places. I don’t recall it being a big name drop for anyone not already involved, like Ronan.
I think in lieu of having to include a bunch of characters and organizations that have not been mentioned or hinted at, they are more likely to go with “people don’t know much about it beyond rumor and hearsay”.
Hence the distinction between Carol and "the major galactic powers."
Drax's people knew about Thanos. Xandar knew about Thanos. Gamora's people know abut Thanos. Safe bet the Kree know about Thanos.
Now, "knowing about" Thanos and actually understanding who he is and what he looks like are a whole different kettle of fish, but...
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Cole, all of the planets you're listing were attacked by Thanos. Your logic only tracks if the Kree were also attacked by Thanos, and Carol was there at the time (which she might not even be if she was done trashing the Supreme Intelligence and was off looking for Skrull refuges.
Now, it's possible Carol might have been at the battle for the power stone at Xandar. We won't know till Endgame. Even then... all anyone's been saying is that otherwise, even if she's heard of Thanos, it doesn't mean she knows much more than anyone else. Not all the planets in the universe talk to each other (and if you want to bring real life space physics into it, which is a reckless and dangerous thing to do when talking about MCU Space Travel, nearly impossible).
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Cole, all of the planets you're listing were attacked by Thanos. Your logic only tracks if the Kree were also attacked by Thanos, and Carol was there at the time (which she might not even be if she was done trashing the Supreme Intelligence and was off looking for Skrull refuges.
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No, my logic tracks if major galactic governments- unlike one Earthling who only knows what the Kree felt like telling her (almost all of which she now knows was false, and therefore probably distrusts on principle) and what she picks up on her own in an essentially tabula rasa quest into the universe- actually have intel-gathering capabilities to pick up things like the massacre of planetary populations.
My entire point, which you guys seem to have misinterpreted, is that she has very good reasons to not know about Thanos, while the governments she may or may not interface with have every reason to have known- what they choose to share on the subject is probably a matter of culture- like, I doubt the Kree tell anybody anything, the Skrulls are probably too gutted and disorganized to have anything but bogeyman stories, the Nova Corps probably has him on a list of known criminals... along with a bunch of other folks of varying degrees of nasty- hence my remark about Ego, who has been around forever and very nearly wiped out a decent chunk of all life in the universe before the Guardians stopped him- there are plenty of threats to have bumped into to keep Thanos merely on your radar, rather than being your focus.
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lowfyr01 wrote:Another important question...Did goose survived the snap?Great movie and the other comments already told what I like about it.
But I have one nagging question: Where is the cat? Perhaps Goose will get his own movie explaining what he did during the twenty years^^?
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I have a question.
How did Fury know Carol would survive the snap?Black Dougal |
I hope this isn't too off topic, but if the Nova Force was so powerful, how come they had trouble with just Ronan and his ship. How they hell would they have been able to hold off Thano's?
And given that, why did the Guardians leave the orb with the Nova Force? When i saw infinity war I was kinda pissed at the guardians for causing half of Zandar to be a target.
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I hope this isn't too off topic, but if the Nova Force was so powerful, how come they had trouble with just Ronan and his ship. How they hell would they have been able to hold off Thano's?
And given that, why did the Guardians leave the orb with the Nova Force? When i saw infinity war I was kinda pissed at the guardians for causing half of Zandar to be a target.
IIRC, The Nova corps were spread out looking for Ronan and trying to reclaim the prison they lost. They weren't expecting an attack on their capital.
Not sure where else they would have left the Power Stone...They needed someplace that was secure enough to protect it, but also not likely to use it against others.
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Charles Scholz wrote:He didn't. He had no idea of the full scope of what was going on, so he sent out a message he hoped would be received.I have a question.
How did Fury know Carol would survive the snap?
Yeah, I saw that not so much as, "half the life in the universe has been snuffed out and I must therefore summon the most powerful hero I know how to reach," it was, "man, things are going to hell in a handbasket here on Earth, better use my 'for-Emergencies' pager."
Fury just figured he knew an emergency when he saw it.
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Black Dougal wrote:I hope this isn't too off topic, but if the Nova Force was so powerful, how come they had trouble with just Ronan and his ship. How they hell would they have been able to hold off Thano's?
And given that, why did the Guardians leave the orb with the Nova Force? When i saw infinity war I was kinda pissed at the guardians for causing half of Zandar to be a target.
IIRC, The Nova corps were spread out looking for Ronan and trying to reclaim the prison they lost. They weren't expecting an attack on their capital.
Not sure where else they would have left the Power Stone...They needed someplace that was secure enough to protect it, but also not likely to use it against others.
Also, my impression from GotG was the MCU Nova Corps were more like a police force, and traditionally (real world) police forces don't usually last too long if they go directly head to head with an actual well-trained & well-provisioned military (especially one led by an uncompromising zealot like the MCU's version of Ronan). But maybe I'm just after-the-fact No Prizing/rationalizing it.
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It just so happens that this afternoon I was originally nowhere near a theater, but once the notion popped into my head, I went and watched Captain Marvel again.
- It was also clearer on second watch that she is absorbing the energy around her and getting more powerful as she did. When she starts overloading the inhibitor device the drains the energy from their weapons which is why they're just sort of watching in horror. I also didn't notice on my first watch that the Tesseract is glowing (from inside the Happy Days lunchbox) when she begins to fully harness her power to break the inhibitor.
For anyone else who might have missed all the details, the scene jumps to an exterior shot of Mar-Vell's Kree cruiser during this, and power all over the ship goes out a couple times. It also looks like Carol's power-draining is why the electronic restraints on Maria & Fury (which aren't connected to the ship's power) and the energy barrier imprisoning the Skrulls fails too.
- The first color combination Carol and Monica try for the costume are the original costume colors (black, gold, red), and then the colors of the later Ms. Marvel costume (black and gold). I think one was also Mar-Vell's first or early costumes (primary white with green accents).
A couple years back, Marvel had variant covers on their comics as a tie-in to Tron: Legacy. Maybe Carol's neon suit briefly shown in the movie is a call-back to that?
...Like, there's a point where Carol is destroying the inhibitor, and the Intelligence just stops blasting her and gives her a look--is that Mar-Vell-as-part-of-the-Intelligence causing it to stop and give up? Also, is the white hair just an affectation of the Intelligence... or did Mar-Vell really die on earth? Presumably her body was brought back along with Carol's. I wonder if she lived a bit longer and then died. I am probably waaaay over thinking this, but just spitballing.
To me, it looked more like genuine surprise. The Kree racial superpower seems to be an almost-weaponized superiority complex. The idea that a mere human from the backwater C-53, a human whose memories reveal she has failed at key moments of her life, could ever break its mental hold might literally have never occurred to the Supremor.
...There's some interesting stuff here that would make re-watching Season 2 of AOS or thereabouts interesting.
After Fury's job offer to Maria, my new head-canon is that she is the one who trained Melinda May to fly.
- As I noted, the Tesseract reacted when Carol was using her power, so I wonder if that will play into Endgame.
"All signs point to Yes."
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A couple years back, Marvel had variant covers on their comics as a tie-in to Tron: Legacy. Maybe Carol's neon suit briefly shown in the movie is a call-back to that?
Ooh, maybe. I couldn't tell if that was a reference or just they were generally being 90s. Also there was Monica's black/white combo in there!
To me, it looked more like genuine surprise. The Kree racial superpower seems to be an almost-weaponized superiority complex. The idea that a mere human from the backwater C-53, a human whose memories reveal she has failed at key moments of her life, could ever break its mental hold might literally have never occurred to the Supremor.
That's a fair take. I think my musings were coming from trying to figure out how much of what was in Carol's head was influencing that encounter vs the Intelligence's connections.
After Fury's job offer to Maria, my new head-canon is that she is the one who trained Melinda May to fly.
Oooh, I like that idea. And also she would have helped test the transition from the quadjet to the quinjet (Maria, not May).
Another non-spoilery thing I noticed on my second watch were how many musical riffs in the score were inspired by what scores sounded like in the 90s. Especially with the electronic music.
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MMCJawa wrote:Also, my impression from GotG was the MCU Nova Corps were more like a police force, and traditionally (real world) police forces don't usually last too long if they go directly head to head with an actual well-trained & well-provisioned military (especially one led by an uncompromising zealot like the MCU's version of Ronan). But maybe I'm just after-the-fact No Prizing/rationalizing it.Black Dougal wrote:I hope this isn't too off topic, but if the Nova Force was so powerful, how come they had trouble with just Ronan and his ship. How they hell would they have been able to hold off Thano's?
And given that, why did the Guardians leave the orb with the Nova Force? When i saw infinity war I was kinda pissed at the guardians for causing half of Zandar to be a target.
IIRC, The Nova corps were spread out looking for Ronan and trying to reclaim the prison they lost. They weren't expecting an attack on their capital.
Not sure where else they would have left the Power Stone...They needed someplace that was secure enough to protect it, but also not likely to use it against others.
I really didnt like the MCU nova corps, but that's because I wanted a nova movie if I couldn't get a green lantern movie.
In fact, what I have seen of Carol thus far has me wondering about the similarity of their power sets. Hm.