Cuz you know we're gonna need a thread for this...
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I hope they have Ted Cruz make a speech about how he isn't endorsing Trump.
Which, should actually be a staple of every convention here on out. :-)
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Same circus, different clowns. (Though, to be fair, the DNC clowns appear less incompetent.)
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Might as well get a jump on the festivities:
Clinton VP Favorite Just Gave the Left Two More Reasons to Distrust Him
Might as well get a jump on the festivities:
Clinton VP Favorite Just Gave the Left Two More Reasons to Distrust Him
Hmm, what a strange thing.
Might as well get a jump on the festivities:
Clinton VP Favorite Just Gave the Left Two More Reasons to Distrust Him
Huh. That is interesting. I'm waiting to see who Hillary (or the DNC) picks for Veep. I think the speculation on why X was picked may be illuminating. Are they chiefly looking for a choice that will bring in undecided voters, provide the appearance of an ethical core (to counter Hillary's rep problem), or someone who could possibly steal the Never-Trump folks from the Republicans?
All three factors will likely be part of their thinking but which one trumps (no pun intended) the others will say a lot about what worries Hillary's team.
Might as well get a jump on the festivities:
Clinton VP Favorite Just Gave the Left Two More Reasons to Distrust Him
G!ddamn it. I hope he doesn't get the nod. I liked Julian Castro better anyway (but apparently he has his own problems right now).
I prefer Warren above all, but she can do a lot more good where she's at in the Senate.
Less incompetent. Less hateful. Less scared.
In fact, not really the same circus at all.
You're correct about the hate and fear, but that really means mostly that the show itself takes on a different tone.
Don't misunderstand, I don't anticipate the same sort of fecal storm that came out of Cleveland. But there'll be plenty of hyperbole and propaganda as well.
The convention itself is the circus; in that regard, the spectacle is very much the same.
SEE YOU IN PHILLY! SOCIALIST ALTERNATIVE AT THE DNC
Well, not me, I'm going to another #BLM march in Manchester. Apparently, there will be more Oathkeepers with grenade launchers. Can't wait.
I'll be across the river in Jersey hoping that my commute to the day job isn't trashes (which it shouldn't since I'm going the other direction, but still). Hope those going enjoy themselves. I'll be catching the highlights on Colbert and Myers.
Thanks Chris.
Might as well get a jump on the festivities:
Clinton VP Favorite Just Gave the Left Two More Reasons to Distrust Him
G!ddamn it. I hope he doesn't get the nod. I liked Julian Castro better anyway (but apparently he has his own problems right now).
I prefer Warren above all, but she can do a lot more good where she's at in the Senate.
Dang it. Kaine is her Veep pick. >:(
Well it figures. She wants someone she can control/get along with, not necessarily challenge her to move more towards progressive side.
Oh well.
I hope they have Ted Cruz make a speech about how he isn't endorsing Trump.
Which, should actually be a staple of every convention here on out. :-)
Dang it. Kaine is her Veep pick. >:(Might as well get a jump on the festivities:
Clinton VP Favorite Just Gave the Left Two More Reasons to Distrust Him
G!ddamn it. I hope he doesn't get the nod. I liked Julian Castro better anyway (but apparently he has his own problems right now).
I prefer Warren above all, but she can do a lot more good where she's at in the Senate.
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with Kaine as her VP pick?
o.O
Erm, not sure how he is considered particularly conservative other than by comparison to the Democratic candidates this go 'round.
What do you mean by "positionism"? (What I'm finding is "Third Positionism"...)
Okay, whew. The stuff on "Third Positionism" is nasty stuff.
Compared to Pierce, all of the Democratic VP candidates are way to the left. ;)
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Dang it. Kaine is her Veep pick. >:(Out of curiosity, what's wrong with Kaine as her VP pick?
Off the top of my head: I don't like his stances against bank regulation and for the TPP; I don't like his history of union busting and "gifts". He seems the dull, safe, white male option meant to reassure voters who are uneasy about a first female president, similar to Biden's selection for Obama.
As a possible plus, he'll have to vacate his Senate seat, so McAuliffe will likely appoint another Democratic candidate. Replacing him in the Senate will hopefully mean a more liberal voice & vote.
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I would have preferred someone a bit more liberal as a choice. I think Hillary may be underestimating the republican dislike of her. Just because a faction of Republican voters hate Trump doesn't mean they like Hillary. If the more "moderate" Republican voters stay home, and the hardcore Bernies supporters do as well, Hillary may not be able to defeat Trump.
Anyone else seeing a popular vote victory for trump but an electoral landslide for hillary?
Anyone else seeing a popular vote victory for trump but an electoral landslide for hillary?
I hope not. The Don will whup up his supporters into a frenzy of riots and violence.
I knew I was fine, but I just double-checked my voter registration online anyway. Made sure my mail-in ballots are confirmed to be sent for our August 30th primary and for the general election in November.
Dang it. Kaine is her Veep pick. >:(Out of curiosity, what's wrong with Kaine as her VP pick?Off the top of my head: I don't like his stances against bank regulation and for the TPP; I don't like his history of union busting and "gifts". He seems the dull, safe, white male option meant to reassure voters who are uneasy about a first female president, similar to Biden's selection for Obama.
As a possible plus, he'll have to vacate his Senate seat, so McAuliffe will likely appoint another Democratic candidate. Replacing him in the Senate will hopefully mean a more liberal voice & vote.
I don't like the TPP at all, but no one in the running voted against it, when applicable.
The banking regulation is not him alone. That letter is bipartisan, signed off by 69 other Senators besides him and several articles on the topic conveniently leave out important details, including the one linked and a nearly identical one on HuffPost. The primary thrust of the letter is aimed at loosening the screws on credit unions and community banks.
The gifts are fodder for certain. At least they weren't quid pro quo unlike McDonnell's gifts. IIRC, Virginia has closed that particular problem with the current governor doing so via executive order upon his inauguration in 2014.
I find it amusing that the union busting article calls him "reasonably reliable". As a Senator he's voted the party line 90% of the time. That is a heck of a lot more than "reasonably reliable".
He's about as well-qualified a Democratic Veep as you can get. None of the candidates are perfect. I'd be genuinely surprised if none of the others that were in consideration couldn't be similarly picked apart.
The laundry list of potential appointees is a fascinating one, one that gets longer with potential competitors for the seat in the 2017 election taken into consideration.
There's a good deal more to Trump's appeal than simply boiling it down to 'angry old white dudes'. That's what his competitors for the nomination failed to heed. The Democrats will lose if they make similar assumptions.
Having said that, the man is perfectly capable of self-destruction without provocation. ;)
Out of curiosity, what's wrong with Kaine as her VP pick?Off the top of my head: I don't like his stances against bank regulation and for the TPP; I don't like his history of union busting and "gifts".I don't like the TPP at all, but no one in the running voted against it, when applicable.
The banking regulation is not him alone. That letter is bipartisan, signed off by 69 other Senators besides him and several articles on the topic conveniently leave out important details, including the one linked and a nearly identical one on HuffPost. The primary thrust of the letter is aimed at loosening the screws on credit unions and community banks.
The gifts are fodder for certain. At least they weren't quid pro quo unlike McDonnell's gifts. IIRC, Virginia has closed that particular problem with the current governor doing so via executive order upon his inauguration in 2014.
I find it amusing that the union busting article calls him "reasonably reliable". As a Senator he's voted the party line 90% of the time. That is a heck of a lot more than "reasonably reliable".
He's about as well-qualified a Democratic Veep as you can get. None of the candidates are perfect. I'd be genuinely surprised if none of the others that were in consideration couldn't be similarly picked apart.
The laundry list of potential appointees is a fascinating one, one that gets longer with potential competitors for the seat in the 2017 election taken into consideration.
Yeah, those are just the first articles I've dug up on Kaine. I'm still a bit stunned from trying to drink from the firehose of four nights of RNC coverage, and my Friday morning hangover feels like it is lingering into Saturday noon. Now that Kaine is official, I'll start digging deeper and for better articles/research.
I'd recommend applying similar digging to the others that were considered while you're at it. Might be that he was the best of the lot for a variety of reasons. Might not be.
Since "best" is subjective opinion ...
Wikipedia is wikipedia, which should prove a useful starting point.
As an aside, the wikileaks thing is well-timed. It'll be interesting to see if anything comes of it.
I think my key problem is accepting the fact that I'm 35 now and I can't drink like I did in my early 20s. Also, I may like bourbon, but I strongly suspect it really doesn't agree with me afterward, especially when I'm sleep deficient and away from home. :/
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I think my key problem is accepting the fact that I'm 35 now and I can't drink like I did in my early 20s. Also, I may like bourbon, but I strongly suspect it really doesn't agree with me afterward, especially when I'm sleep deficient and away from home. :/
About 35 is when I found the super-strong stuff is no longer good for me. These days microbrews up to ~12% is about what I can handle. Anything stronger doesn't go at all well.
Best of luck on the recuperation!
*Reads up on these leaks* ...Welp, no surprises there.
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As a long time republican, I have no idea who to vote for. While I can like Trump's bluntness and even agree to quite a few of the "problems" he brings up, his ideal solutions and the way he goes about things just either make me have my whole body cringe or have my head almost fall off from shaking back and forth wondering "wtf?", I can't vote towards Hillary either.
From the wiki links showing the polls scandles, to Bernie never having a chance,.....to how the AG has handle the case, from her husband signing the bill that okay'd homeland companies to go offshore that caused our economy to tank royally which we still haven't recovered thanks to Bush Jr. and his stupid war, to her supporting TPP until it showed it was hurting her and she flipped on it but then has a VP who is in support of it it seems....
I'm just disgusted at both sides candiadates. Both of them are equally horrendous in different ways. I'd like to vote for Gary Johnson because he's the only one who I can feel morally okay with voting but the way it is right now neck to neck, tbh I feel like I'm just throwing my vote in the trash. Sigh.
I would have preferred someone a bit more liberal as a choice. I think Hillary may be underestimating the republican dislike of her. Just because a faction of Republican voters hate Trump doesn't mean they like Hillary. If the more "moderate" Republican voters stay home, and the hardcore Bernies supporters do as well, Hillary may not be able to defeat Trump."May not", sure. It's politics. Anything can happen.
Frankly, I doubt many of the hardcore Bernie supporters would vote for her unless she admitted she was a corrupt pawn of wall street and promised to resign in January. Even if she'd picked Elizbeth Warren for VP. Anything less would just be another Hillary lie. Even that probably would be.
Most aren't that hardcore, of course. Most would have switched with a Warren pick. Of course, most will switch anyway.If moderate Republicans stay home, she wins. This is a play for centrist independents, not for actual Republicans. She'll get some. And she'll sweep Democrats, despite the Bernie Bros. She'll win African-Americans by close to Obama's margins and Hispanics by even more. She'll win women by a landslide too.
Trump will dominate among white men. Especially older white men. But to steal from Lindsey Graham, there aren't enough angry old white men left.
If Trump doesn't get a ground game campaign up and running and can't organize it better then he ran the convention, he's going to lose in a landslide.
My major concern is that...all along analysts and politicians have been predicting Trump losing/dropping out, and so far he had defied those odds.
Yes I know that the Republican situation can't be extrapolated to the entire country. But the most recent polls I have seen don't see Hillary leading by much, and often within the realm of error. The Republicans seem to be slowly consolidating behind Trump. Core Democrats are already consolidated behind Hillary, but I am concerned she won't really be able to bring in the independents or youth vote.
I can rationally go through all the arguments for Trump losing. But the fear of him winning is still there. Hopefully after the DNC convention next week I will feel a lot better about the situation.
Sometimes, I wish we had Australia's Preferential Voting System. I don't know that it would solve everything, but it might at least help.
My major concern is that...all along analysts and politicians have been predicting Trump losing/dropping out, and so far he had defied those odds.
One big problem is that the current polling algorithms rely on identifying "people who are likely to vote". Figuring out who is "likely to vote" relies on historic data from previous elections.
What the algorithms don't capture are the preferences of "people who aren't likely to vote". Once sufficient numbers of those "unlikely" voters turn up at the voting booth, the prediction algorithms fall apart.
Using traditional voting algorithms, Hilary is barely 3% points ahead (44% to 41%). As noted above her "lead" in several polls is within the margin of error, which means that Trump might actually be leading based on that data.
Trump defied the odds because the odds-makers were using flawed predictive algorithms. They're still using them because they still don't know how to factor in the 'unlikely to vote' crowd and they still don't know how to get reliable data from them.
This race is neck-and-neck. And the data (and models) aren't going to get any better before November. The historic data needed to adjust the models does not exist.
So, if traditional polling data skews toward Clinton voters, I'd be very afraid about what those non-traditional voters are bringing to the game.
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From the wiki links showing the polls scandles,
Didn't happen.
to Bernie never having a chance,
He had a chance. He just lost.
.....to how the AG has handle the case,
The AG didn't handle the case - it deferred to the judgment of the FBI.
to her supporting TPP until it showed it was hurting her and she flipped on it but then has a VP who is in support of it it seems....
Kaine previously was in support of the TPP, but has recently agreed to oppose it.
And, seriously, why would you criticize a politician for changing their stance on something in the face of public opposition? Their job is to represent the people. If you get upset when politicians adopt a stance you want them to adopt, you're not giving them any incentive to change.
I'm just disgusted at both sides candiadates. Both of them are equally horrendous in different ways.
Oh come on.
I'd like to vote for Gary Johnson because he's the only one who I can feel morally okay with voting but the way it is right now neck to neck, tbh I feel like I'm just throwing my vote in the trash. Sigh.
If you vote third party, you are.