Nominative confusion


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Elidir is the capital of a Cheliaxan vassal state.
Eleder is the capital of a different (former) Cheliaxan vassal state.

Whose bright idea was that? I bet that led to some fantastic confusion during the empire.

Silver Crusade

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waynemarkstubbs wrote:

Elidir is the capital of a Cheliaxan vassal state.

Eleder is the capital of a different (former) Cheliaxan vassal state.

Whose bright idea was that? I bet that led to some fantastic confusion during the empire.

Birmingham, Alabama vs Birmingham, West Midlands.

Washington D.C. vs Washington (state).

Plenty of real world precedent.


Gorbacz wrote:
waynemarkstubbs wrote:

Elidir is the capital of a Cheliaxan vassal state.

Eleder is the capital of a different (former) Cheliaxan vassal state.

Whose bright idea was that? I bet that led to some fantastic confusion during the empire.

Birmingham, Alabama vs Birmingham, West Midlands.

Washington D.C. vs Washington (state).

Plenty of real world precedent.

Take it from someone who lived for a while in Arlington, Washington. ;)


Kansas City, Missouri and Kansas City, Kansas say hi. :)


How many Springfields are there in the United States?


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Boston, Portland, Athens, Montpelier/Montpellier*, numerous villages in France with the same name appended to a rough geographical fix like "_____-sur-Loire" to help tell them apart....

*Just for fun and an object example, Montpellier or derivatives thereof may be found in AT LEAST:
France
Canada
Ireland
The United Kingdom
The United States (five of them in Virginia alone)


Well, I take the point, and as a classicist know the confusion that confusion that can be caused by a reference to a city called "Alexandria" - which one of the 50 or so is being referred to?

But two things

1) These are provincial capitals. There's a greater scope for confusion, misheard instructions etc.
2) This is also fiction, and we expect the One Steve Limit to apply.

Silver Crusade

waynemarkstubbs wrote:

Well, I take the point, and as a classicist know the confusion that confusion that can be caused by a reference to a city called "Alexandria" - which one of the 50 or so is being referred to?

But two things

1) These are provincial capitals. There's a greater scope for confusion, misheard instructions etc.
2) This is also fiction, and we expect the One Steve Limit to apply.

1)*shrugs* There's places that share a name with cities/states/countries.

2)No, that's entirely an assumption.


How many Kingstons were in the British empire?

Fortunately for anyone receiving imperial instructions, Eleder and Elidir are both spelled and pronounced differently, at least.

I concur with the general expectation of the One Steve Limit, but that's a convention of fiction that isn't obligatory. Plus, your original objection was in-world confusion. If you'd commented that the similarity in names makes things more difficult for GMs and players, I'd agree: "You said the campaign is based in Eleder, so I built a jungle druid with a dinosaur companion." "No, no, Elidir in Isger!" :D

Silver Crusade

Joana wrote:

How many Kingstons were in the British empire?

Fortunately for anyone receiving imperial instructions, Eleder and Elidir are both spelled and pronounced differently, at least.

I concur with the general expectation of the One Steve Limit, but that's a convention of fiction that isn't obligatory. Plus, your original objection was in-world confusion. If you'd commented that the similarity in names makes things more difficult for GMs and players, I'd agree: "You said the campaign is based in Eleder, so I built a jungle druid with a dinosaur companion." "No, no, Elidir in Isger!" :D

*shugs* So have your Allosaurus nom on some Gobbos.


I used to live in Manchester, NH. There's also a Manchester, MA; a Manchester, VT; and a Manchester, NY.

Not to mention Manchester, UK.

As for the game world...

I believe that the answer was: Different people were working on different sections of the original Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting, and there was some near-duplication of place names on the detail maps. Basically, it's parallel development that didn't get caught until late in the game. It's also possible that there was a decision to have similar-sounding names to point at some underlying linguistic link.

Another example is the Orcish cities of Urgir in Belkzen and Urglin in Varisia.

Or, if you want to go to Tolkein, there's Sauron and Saruman...


Joana wrote:
How many Kingstons were in the British empire?

One must not confuse Kingston by Sea, Kingston by Ferring, and Kingston on Soar, or else Her Majesty will have your head.

Scarab Sages

Simeon wrote:
Joana wrote:
How many Kingstons were in the British empire?
One must not confuse Kingston by Sea, Kingston by Ferring, and Kingston on Soar, or else Her Majesty will have your head.

And besides, Kingston is a fine name! I named all of my son's Kingston! Except for the four Nigels, of course, wot wot?

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