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Trained-only skills just mean you need at least one skill rank in them to use them. That's all the training you need.
EDIT: whoops, ninja'd!
Thank you. :)
So how does this relate to Skills that I don't have in the beginning but want to learn? Can I just add them, put a skill rank into it and BOOM I have the ability to use the skill?
Yes, by rules. The assumption is that you've always been working on them, but have only now finally mastered them. So a bit of a retcon, for most, but it works over all for many.
Many others, however, find the sudden shift jarring and use a variety of house rules to slow down the acquisition. This makes perfect sense, by-the-by, for those groups, but PF assumes a bit more of a cinematic approach: you level up, stare intensely at the fire or wall or something, engage in a training montage that probably isn't more than a day long, and you e got the skills.This is because leveling usually happens in between game sessions and usually at "down" time for adventurers.
But I think that by the rules there isn't even any time necessary in between: if you level mid-combat, (though this isn't recommended) you can stop what you're doing and increase stuff, and go right back to it with your new increased things.
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Trained-only skills just mean you need at least one skill rank in them to use them. That's all the training you need.Trained only means unless your class gave you training you can't put ranks in it.
Nonsense. What you are defining is an exclusive skill, which went away with the D&D 3.5 revision. RainyDayNinja has it right for Pathfinder.
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Kitten,
'Trained only' means you cannot use the skill without having put a rank into it.
Any class can put ranks into any skill. Class skills just mean you get a +3 on those skills once you have put a rank into it.
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Skills are covered here, but how you acquire your skill depends on your GM. Most GMs handwave it, but others might require you to find a trainer (such as a fellow PC)—ask them how they'd like to handle it.
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Well I guess we might as well just play Skyrim and be every class at once then!? I concede. I play DnD/PF as a game where we are a team and each of us has an important role that the rest of the group can't fill and i will continue to do so as everyone I've ever played with has.
Really... Try that out, see how much it helps you. Have every character on the party put 1 rank in every skill.
Just because you can put 1 rank into disable device, doesn't mean doing so will provide any advantage. Sure, it allows the roll, which can be useful at low levels. But if you happen to "learn" disable device at lvl 19, odds are none of the meaningful rolls you will be presented will have a DC of 10.
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Thanks guys - I have a tendency to want to try and overthink things and just thought it was going to be more complicated than that. :)
To really spin your head, you can do the same with classes. If your barbarian wants to instantly learn how to cast spells... he levels up as a wizard. No years of training... no master... Per RAW, you just level up however you want.
Core Rules are very lax about things like Roleplaying. DMs and game groups may chose to limit what you can do or add extra requirements... but by the rules.... Gain XP, choose class and assign skill points however you please.
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Disable Device and Use Magic Device can only be used by specific class' who are Trained in it as part of whatever training they took for the class level. To get disable device you'll need to get a level in a class with it or have a DM allow somebody with the skills to Train you in it and that should take some time decided by the dm.
Uhm, that's actually not true in Pathfinder. All skills are considered Class Skill or Cross-Class Skill. The only difference is that cross-class skills will be lower due to not getting a +3 bonus. If my sorcerer wants to learn how to disarm traps, she can do so just fine. BUT she wont be able to disarm magic traps. Nor will she get the rather large bonuses a rogue would when finding and disarming traps.
Anyone can take Use Magic Device, but if it's a class skill you get a +3 to your skill ranks. And people without high charisma are less likely to take it. The real limitation on taking these two skills isn't "is it a class skill". The limitation is "do you have spare skill points?" While a fighter could take disable devices and UMD, they probably wont cause they just don't have a surplus of skill points.
I have a spiritualist for example who focuses on disable devices. Have skill focus, masterwork tools, and all that. Did that cause the party wasn't going to have a rogue. So my character is the medic and the trap monkey.
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Then PF made a dumb descision. A barbarian shouldn't be able to pick a lock because he decided to put a skill rank In last level. I've always used common sense when playing instead of blindly following rules, or lack of rules, I guess so I never paid attention to them leaving it out. But that seems to take largely away from the point of class based skills as it was.
Conan is a barbarian, complete with being VERY skilled with a great sword and occasionally flying into a berserk rage. He's also sneaky, a capable thief (although I don't think he'd get sneak attack damage), and quite adept at killing spellcasters. He scales walls, disarms traps, picks locks... And that's in his earliest stories.
According to your idea, almost nobody could take Handle Animal. Or linguistics for that matter. Linguistics is Trained Only, but I can't think of any class which counts it as a class skill. Whoops, nobody could ever learn more then their racial languages+int. All because according to you, you can only put points in a "trained only" skill if it's a class skill.
And are you seriously saying that only those with Knowledge: All listed as class skill can possibly learn the knowledge skills? What about a sorcerer, are you suggesting sorcerers can only learn Knowledge: Arcana because the others aren't class skills and are Trained Only?
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Thanks guys - I have a tendency to want to try and overthink things and just thought it was going to be more complicated than that. :)To really spin your head, you can do the same with classes. If your barbarian wants to instantly learn how to cast spells... he levels up as a wizard. No years of training... no master... Per RAW, you just level up however you want.
Core Rules are very lax about things like Roleplaying. DMs and game groups may chose to limit what you can do or add extra requirements... but by the rules.... Gain XP, choose class and assign skill points however you please.
For the case of the Barbarian taking a level of Wizard on next level-up, I like the idea of carrying around a copy of Wizardry for Dummies for a little while before this . . . .
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Thanks guys - I have a tendency to want to try and overthink things and just thought it was going to be more complicated than that. :)To really spin your head, you can do the same with classes. If your barbarian wants to instantly learn how to cast spells... he levels up as a wizard. No years of training... no master... Per RAW, you just level up however you want.
Core Rules are very lax about things like Roleplaying. DMs and game groups may chose to limit what you can do or add extra requirements... but by the rules.... Gain XP, choose class and assign skill points however you please.
For the case of the Barbarian taking a level of Wizard on next level-up, I like the idea of carrying around a copy of Wizardry for Dummies for a little while before this . . . .
Me, I'd favor the barbarian gaining a level in a spontaneous casting class. If they have an okay charisma (even 11) I could more easily see most barbarians discovering sorcerous power over the study and discipline of wizardry.