Kineticist - Force Ward


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My Kineticist was recently sneak attacked by a rogue. The damage due to the weapon did not pierce my force ward, but the GM still applied the sneak damage, is this right? If so, how can sneak damage, which applies as the rogue has found a vital spot, apply, when, according to the Force Ward description, the weapon has not actually achieved a hit?


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You're in the wrong forum here, this is for the Adventure Card Game.

Anyway, yopur GM is right. There is no separation between the "normal" damage and the sneak damage. The damage from a sneak attack is not an additional effect that triggers when you get hit. It is simply "more damage". So that provision from the force ward wild talent does not apply.


Zaister wrote:

You're in the wrong forum here, this is for the Adventure Card Game.

Anyway, yopur GM is right. There is no separation between the "normal" damage and the sneak damage. The damage from a sneak attack is not an additional effect that triggers when you get hit. It is simply "more damage". So that provision from the force ward wild talent does not apply.

So what you are saying, is that sneak attack damage does not rely on a hit to apply!


there is no such thing as "sneak attack damage" the damage from sneak attack is added to the weapon's damage. So the weapon didn't do 1d6 damage + 4d6 "sneak attack damage", the weapon is doing 5d6 damage. Thus all that should be enough to puncture your ward and count as a hit. If the 5d6 couldn't do it then the entire thing is a miss.


James Waterfield wrote:
My Kineticist was recently sneak attacked by a rogue. The damage due to the weapon did not pierce my force ward, but the GM still applied the sneak damage, is this right? If so, how can sneak damage, which applies as the rogue has found a vital spot, apply, when, according to the Force Ward description, the weapon has not actually achieved a hit?

Same reason attacks that don't penetrate DR with their basic damage can still apply Sneak Attack.


Unless an effect says it negates precision damage the sneak attack damage will apply.

@Keslix: you should make a separate thread for that question as it has no bearing on the OP.


I just did a quick search on the prd, and the only thing that came up was the Lifesurge magic weapon ability, which lets you add the weapon's enhancement bonus to any temp hp you gain, but if I'm reading it right, it specifically says multiple applications don't stack, so you really wouldn't get more than a couple of extra temp hp out of it. There may be some obscure feat or trait or something out there that affects temp hp, but I haven't seen any myself.

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