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I'm actually pretty jazzed about it being a prequel. The more the different series advanced it seemed nothing was impossible, even time travel became no problem. And the way Janeway and the Voyager crew totally emasculated the Federation's greatest threat, the Borg, was a total waste of time for me.
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Cal,
I'll agree they did nerf the Borg pretty damn quickly in Voyager. However I think they did it with respect to the fact Voyager had help of other races the Borg hadn't taken and thus might have an edge.
But I do get why you didn't want to go further into the future of Trek.
26th century apparently mastered time travel so well, that's the new frontier. Which seemed weird to me.
Not a fan of the premise.
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Going the prequel route, I hope they channel Season 4 of Enterprise more than seasons 1-3...
Cole,
Really? I kind of disliked 4 a lot in that.
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Cole,
Really? I kind of disliked 4 a lot in that.
I thought 4 was by far the best season of "Enterprise". The Temporal Cold War and the Xindi stuff was just so much clap trap to me. But the finale of Season 4 was a mess. A complete mess that I was embarrassed to have watched.
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Cal,
See I LIKED the Temporal Cold war. But yeah the ending was a mess.
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The Temporal Cold War was a gigantic albatross around the series' neck. I absolutely loathed everything about it.
Yes, every Trek has featured time travel. Most of the time, it was awful. Sometimes it sort of worked. But that shouldn't be the friggin' focus of the overall plot.
Season 4 cut itself free of all of that crap and let us look into the beginnings of the Federation, it "fixed" the unsympathetic Vulcans of the series' beginning, played up the Andorians and Tellarites a fair bit, debuted the Romulans as a Serious Problem... if we absolutely MUST have a prequel series, let it explore the earlier history, not "Let's use the Borg and the Ferengi without naming them because we're between time travel episodes."
And finale? What finale? It ended with Terra Prime, lalalalalalacan'thearyouuuuuuuuu.
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Cole,
Yeah I think we all hated the ending, regardless of the other stuff.
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Disappointingly, the series will be set 10 years before the original series and will focus on crewmembers elsewhere on the USS Discovery than the standard captain/bridge crew dynamic. The "main character" will be a lieutenant commander in Starfleet, possibly with a complicated relationship to the Captain.
I'm actually fine with this... this means that we won't have any of the following.
1. Federation characters embarrassed about the fact that they don't have money.
2. No damm Holodeck episodes.
3. No references to replicators, meals will actually be cooked, guitars will be made etc .
4. No scripts where every other line is a reference to another show? They won't bother mentioning Archer more than twice, given how badly that series bombed.
5. And did I mention no holodeck episodes, especially the ones where they want to make us care about fictional characters?
You really disliked the Holodeck huh Drah?
Kren,
I agree if I wanted that, I'd go with someone without command experience.
You really disliked the Holodeck huh Drah?
And the rest of the 24th century's technoloical advances, apparently... (Note, by the by, that DS9 made a point of having people eating non-replicated food fairly often- they're only as crippling as the writers make them)
For Holodeck episode in TNG era, see "we need more dilithium" in the TOS era.
The fact that this isn't being plotted as stand-alone episodes means a lot of my traditional gripes with Trek might be obviated.
*shrugs* I just am not sure I can get behind a pre-quel as much as I would say, something about a Federation Outpost that guards the Neutral Zone. Hell both Neutral Zones! :p
Kren,
Sex I don't mind so long as it's done in a respectful type man, not Game of Thrones. (Not that there's anything wrong with Game of Thrones but you get what I'm saying.)
Also even in the old show they did swear. Just not like...curse I guess is the best I can come up with. They certainly didn't say thing like (substituting here!) crap, freak, freaking or derogatory names.
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I also don't think I like the suggestion that there will be lots of sex and swearing. Yes, I know such things would occur in Starfleet and all, but it feels tawdry.
Sex is fine if you don't go the HBO rout. "And when the captain enteres the bridge there will be two blue alien girls having sex on the floor for no discernible reason."
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No scripts where every other line is a reference to another show? They won't bother mentioning Archer more than twice, given how badly that series bombed.
Given that even the latest big-screen movie referenced ENTERPRISE a fair bit, I think it's likely they will reference stuff in ENTERPRISE. More interesting would be if they had an inkling that the timeline had shifted. This new series is starting pretty much at the same time as the Abrams movies, just on the other side of the timeline rift.
I also don't think that a new 25th Century TREK show would suffer from the same problems as VOYAGER, as everyone knows what those weaknesses were. DEEP SPACE NINE did an excellent job of moving around the worst of the TNG/VOYAGER hippy future stuff and make it credible, such as having a ban on holodeck malfunction episodes and reducing technobabble.
I got really tired of the Holodeck episodes of TNG. It seems every other episode the deck malfunctioned in some way. That got old really fast. And the kid genius (Wesley Crusher). That was such a cartoon trope it really made my brain itch every time he did something to save the day.
Disappointingly, the series will be set 10 years before the original series and will focus on crewmembers elsewhere on the USS Discovery than the standard captain/bridge crew dynamic. The "main character" will be a lieutenant commander in Starfleet, possibly with a complicated relationship to the Captain.
I'm actually fine with this... this means that we won't have any of the following.
1. Federation characters embarrassed about the fact that they don't have money.
2. No damm Holodeck episodes.
3. No references to replicators, meals will actually be cooked, guitars will be made etc .
4. No scripts where every other line is a reference to another show? They won't bother mentioning Archer more than twice, given how badly that series bombed.
5. And did I mention no holodeck episodes, especially the ones where they want to make us care about fictional characters?
With different showrunners a lot of lazy story telling tropes (which is where most of these come from) could be avoided in a Trek set in the Future. Or just set it far enough in the future where these technologies are no longer around for whatever reason.
We'll see, but from what they've said they made the main character too high a rank. If they want to tell a story of someone growing up an learning about themselves and to work with others you should not use a department head. That's what ensigns or midshipmen are for.
Absolutely agree. The premise seems to excite an idea that the series would be like "the lower decks" which was hands down one of the best told TNG episodes. But with a Lt. Cmdr as the star it will be a bit off for that to work. :(
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I think the holodeck episodes might have been a symptom of having 24 episode seasons. Eventually you need to come up with some episodic filler. In the age of the 13 ep. season they will have less time for those shenanigans.
This is actually one of the things that makes me really sad. I miss 26 episode seasons. Some of the best episodes were one-off episodes that didn't necessarily tie into the larger plot. Sure some were bad, but others were fun, or campy, or truly exceptional. I wish they would bring back 20+ episode seasons.
I couldn't care less about some random nobodies inside the ship, honestly.
If they are the protagonists of the show, their portrayal is neither random nor are they nobodies.
It certainly does make more sense to have them do the jobs instead of showing the main commanding officers and the bridge crew going on away missions.
WOW, BIG way to kill a LOT of interest. Was all in, now not so sure.
A Prequel...without doing an Abrahmverse type thing, most prequels are TERRIBLE.
It just went to HAVE to watch no matter what, even on CBS access...to...maybe not...wait for DVD if it's released on DVD...
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I think the holodeck episodes might have been a symptom of having 24 episode seasons. Eventually you need to come up with some episodic filler. In the age of the 13 ep. season they will have less time for those shenanigans.This is actually one of the things that makes me really sad. I miss 26 episode seasons. Some of the best episodes were one-off episodes that didn't necessarily tie into the larger plot. Sure some were bad, but others were fun, or campy, or truly exceptional. I wish they would bring back 20+ episode seasons.
You get a lot of bad episodes that way, sure, but you also get gems like "The Inner Light", "The Visitor" and "Far Beyond the Stars", which would never be made if they'd been filming tighter 13-episode seasons all along.
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Which one? That doesn't narrow it down! :)
One of my favourites is "Our Man Bashir". The writer brought it in as a holodeck malfunction story and the DS9 guys went, "Nope, against the rules". And he went "Oh, how about the transporter malfunctions and the holodeck is absolutely fine, it just needs to store their patterns?" And the writers apparently liked that get-out clause so much that they bought the story on the spot (and nearly got sued by the JAMES BOND people but there you go).
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I also don't think I like the suggestion that there will be lots of sex and swearing. Yes, I know such things would occur in Starfleet and all, but it feels tawdry.
I remember reading somewhere that during the days of the old TOS, and TNG, the writers would give feedback on Roddenberry's guidelines that would pretty much be summed up as "LET THEM F**K!"
Do people really thing that the members of Starfleet (or the Klingons for that matter) should be asexual monks... especially on a co-ed ship where they're locked away from all other sexual contact for years or decades?
Thinking on that I remembered trivia bits such as that on I Love Lucy!, Ricky and Lucy slept on separate beds. And that the only couple to me that actually looked like they spawned kids were Gomez and Morticia of The Addams Family.
Surprisingly my favorite episode was one with the Holo-deck and it malfunctioning.
And then there would be another episode of the Holodeck malfunctioning
And then an episode on Holodeck addiction
And then an episode of a crewmember finding his ultimate sexual fantasy on the Holodeck! (So why didn't Riker DO THE THING with her? He's a poor Kirk)
And then one person who left one scifi series on the idea that he'd become a recurring Holodeck character.
And the alien race who takes over Voyager and turns the entire ship into a giant Holodeck....
You get my point?
And that the only couple to me that actually looked like they spawned kids
Literally...:)
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I'm not fond of the holodeck, but I'd tolerate it if it meant the franchise was done with time travel plots. Forever.
We'll see, but from what they've said they made the main character too high a rank. If they want to tell a story of someone growing up an learning about themselves and to work with others you should not use a department head. That's what ensigns or midshipmen are for.Absolutely agree. The premise seems to excite an idea that the series would be like "the lower decks" which was hands down one of the best told TNG episodes. But with a Lt. Cmdr as the star it will be a bit off for that to work. :(
This kind of reminds me of the RPG "Prime Directive". It was an RPG based on the "Justman Timeline"... the universe of StarFleet Battles that was based on the rights Robert Justman retained from TOS.
The idea is that you would create a Special Ops or "Prime" team somewhat separate from the regular crew that the Captain of your Ship would send on special missions... in particular, the ones that Starfleet would "disavow any knowledge of your actions" ,if you were caught or killed. Crew assigned to Prime teamsw would be typically misfits or others that were this close to being washed out of the service and assigned to an officer to make the best of a "Dirty Half Dozen".
I also don't think I like the suggestion that there will be lots of sex and swearing. Yes, I know such things would occur in Starfleet and all, but it feels tawdry.I remember reading somewhere that during the days of the old TOS, and TNG, the writers would give feedback on Roddenberry's guidelines that would pretty much be summed up as "LET THEM F**K!"
Do people really thing that the members of Starfleet (or the Klingons for that matter) should be asexual monks... especially on a co-ed ship where they're locked away from all other sexual contact for years or decades?
No, of course not. That doesn't mean you have to show it.
No...but the folks at TNG were even more timid and coy about it than TOS. The writers had to keep telling us that this and that couple were passionate about each other because they were pretty poor at showing it.
Well to be fair I don't think Marina Sirtis was all that comfortable about being a sex symbol to some Trekkers.
Well to be fair I don't think Marina Sirtis was all that comfortable about being a sex symbol to some Trekkers.
If they were trying to dampen it by being coy, it had just the opposite effect.
Hama,
Yes but I don't think she expected it any more than Carrie Fischer did.
But I could be wrong.
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I think I liked how the new Star Trek movie handled sex in space.I missed taht
It was at the end when Kirk and the bad guy made out for like 20 minutes in the slow-fall spiral-gravity vortex thing.
She said she was quite happy about it.
She was, and she wasn't.
She found if fun that she (a former nerd) was now Ms. Fanservice. But, she was not happy that this was all the writers allowed her to be.