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I can't bloody sleep. I'll doze off for 30 minutes then be awake 45. It's going to make a hell of day later. It's 5:30 AM where I am, and the temps today are supposed to be in the upper 90s. The air conditioner in my vehicle is out and I have a lot of driving to do later. I'm going to be in such a good mood (smell that? That's sarcasm).

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oh man are you going to be sitting in traffic? If not put that window down and turn the radio up!


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I can't bloody sleep. I'll doze off for 30 minutes then be awake 45. It's going to make a hell of day later. It's 5:30 AM where I am, and the temps today are supposed to be in the upper 90s. The air conditioner in my vehicle is out and I have a lot of driving to do later. I'm going to be in such a good mood (smell that? That's sarcasm).

They say regular exercise helps with your ability to fall asleep at night.

So maybe you need to go for a Run DMC.

Even though that statement is true, it was brought up 100% entirely for the purpose of delivering that pun.


You sir, are quite the clever fellow.


Samantha Criswell wrote:

Having a hard time with a role playing organzation on my college campus. Its become exclusive we currently have around ten members but only eight of ten are allowed to actually play a game. When I asked to join their campiagn they say no when I ask why they then go on to actually ask: "So you want someone to give up their spot so you can play?" I never said this I just wanted to know why certain people could play while others were left out. I feel very depressed and angry. I have one online thing going (its sort of a dragon age type game) and its okay but it would be nice to play with others too you know? I have tried reaching out online and within my community got into a game that lasted around 3 weeks and the GM left for some unknown reason. I honestly feel very depressed as of now all the magic and any chance of getting to play again feels like its gone. I just feel like s~#$ every time I try to play a game with this club. I will try to GM a game but I am afraid to buy anything because no one will be interested in what I have to offer. It seems I am in a no win situation and I don't know what to do. Does anyone have any advice at all?? Should I stand up to people that are leaving me out? Should I just take up my losses and leave? I don't know what to do. Please someone tell me I am not the only one who feels this way right now.

I don't think that you want to play with people who are purposefully excluding you anyway. That's not a friendly group. I think that the suggestion of starting your own group on campus is your best course of action (as was already suggested).


Pan wrote:
oh man are you going to be sitting in traffic? If not put that window down and turn the radio up!

Thankfully, I won't be. I don't work anymore, so I barely leave the house unless absolutely necessary. So no traffic jams for me!


thegreenteagamer wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I can't bloody sleep. I'll doze off for 30 minutes then be awake 45. It's going to make a hell of day later. It's 5:30 AM where I am, and the temps today are supposed to be in the upper 90s. The air conditioner in my vehicle is out and I have a lot of driving to do later. I'm going to be in such a good mood (smell that? That's sarcasm).

They say regular exercise helps with your ability to fall asleep at night.

So maybe you need to go for a Run DMC.

Even though that statement is true, it was brought up 100% entirely for the purpose of delivering that pun.

As a lover of puns, I applaud you for that one. Sadly, due to my weight and bad leg, I haven't been able to run in 2 decades. So it's walk or limp DMC for me.


Well, walking is by far a better choice than jogging for joint health and body composition. I highly recommend walking as a daily activity.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I can't bloody sleep. I'll doze off for 30 minutes then be awake 45. It's going to make a hell of day later. It's 5:30 AM where I am, and the temps today are supposed to be in the upper 90s. The air conditioner in my vehicle is out and I have a lot of driving to do later. I'm going to be in such a good mood (smell that? That's sarcasm).

They say regular exercise helps with your ability to fall asleep at night.

So maybe you need to go for a Run DMC.

Even though that statement is true, it was brought up 100% entirely for the purpose of delivering that pun.

As a lover of puns, I applaud you for that one. Sadly, due to my weight and bad leg, I haven't been able to run in 2 decades. So it's walk or limp DMC for me.

Thank God your acronym isn't Bizkit, or I'd have to throw something at you.

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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
thegreenteagamer wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I can't bloody sleep. I'll doze off for 30 minutes then be awake 45. It's going to make a hell of day later. It's 5:30 AM where I am, and the temps today are supposed to be in the upper 90s. The air conditioner in my vehicle is out and I have a lot of driving to do later. I'm going to be in such a good mood (smell that? That's sarcasm).

They say regular exercise helps with your ability to fall asleep at night.

So maybe you need to go for a Run DMC.

Even though that statement is true, it was brought up 100% entirely for the purpose of delivering that pun.

As a lover of puns, I applaud you for that one. Sadly, due to my weight and bad leg, I haven't been able to run in 2 decades. So it's walk or limp DMC for me.

Walk DMC, the Run DMC slow jazz cover band.


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Nicos wrote:
Well, walking is by far a better choice than jogging for joint health and body composition. I highly recommend walking as a daily activity.

I take 3 to 5 walks a day with my dogs, depending on their bladder schedules.. lol


TriOmegaZero wrote:
Harkevich wrote:
The thread was about weird things that made us rage a little inside and the expansiveness of the race restrictions are mine. I'm certain not everyone found it terrible or that it necessarily demands fixing, but that's not what the thread is about.
By all means rage, but don't expect everyone to find it justified. The world is the way it is for often very understandable reasons.

You know, they didn't ask for the peanut gallery. They weren't asking for everyone to find it justified. They just came here to rant and people jumped them. Yeesh.

I'm "necromancing" this months-old argument to demonstrate something: This is why "rant" threads never last long. :P

Scarab Sages

I feel guilty complaining about this when I see other people complaining that they can't find a gaming group or can't seem to play for more than a few weeks at a time. But these are my grievances.

Grievance #1:
I was invited to join my friends' previously ongoing Star Wars campaign, which was very exciting. The GM went out of his way to make my new character fit in. But the rest of the party are 13th-14th level, and my new PC is 3rd level. I was looking forward to leveling up (she's a Jedi). However, the GM announced a couple of sessions ago that this campaign probably won't continue much longer, since the higher-level PCs are getting so powerful it's hard to challenge them unless he makes every session about ship-to-ship combat, which isn't that much fun. He plans to start a new campaign after this one ends, in which he wants to make my PC the high-level one, and have the other players all start as 1st-level Jedi padawans.

I know that doesn't sound like a grievance, but I'm disappointed that I won't get to play in this campaign a little longer. I'm also nervous about playing a character who will have a sort of leadership role in the next campaign. I tend to avoid taking leadership roles in games because in real life I don't like being in charge.

Grievance #2:
I'm really enjoying our other group's Wrath of the Righteous campaign, but it will be going on hiatus for at least a month as we return to our long-delayed Kingmaker game, which I don't enjoy quite as much. The WotR GM is great at finding moments for roleplaying, but the Kingmaker GM just plods us through the AP. I don't think he means to railroad us, he's just a bit overwhelmed trying to manage five 12th-level characters, one of whom has Leadership, and deal with us as we build up a kingdom and command an army. Maybe Kingmaker wasn't the best choice of AP for him to run.

We've also been playing this AP off and on for 3 years, and sometimes it feels like we'll never get to the end. The GM unfortunately has some serious health issues and often has to take some time off to deal with his health. It makes it hard to stay invested when we may not play this AP for six months at a time.

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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
You know, they didn't ask for the peanut gallery. They weren't asking for everyone to find it justified. They just came here to rant and people jumped them. Yeesh.

Public rants attract responses. You don't even need to 'ask'. Don't rant in public if you aren't prepared for that.

Kobold Cleaver wrote:
YI'm "necromancing" this months-old argument to demonstrate something: This is why "rant" threads never last long. :P

System working as intended. ;)


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Kitsune.


'Sani wrote:
Kitsune.

How DARE you?? As President of the Golarion chapter of the Society for the Protection of Anthropomorphized Canines, I say again, how DARE you??

KITSUNE ARE THE BEST RACE EVER!!

Good day to you sir!


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I absolutely don't get folks' love for kitsune or any other anthropomorphized race. But that's just me.

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I'm not a huge fan of the anthropomorphized animal races, but I don't get all the hate for them, either. I'll play them occasionally, just to do something different. Just like I'll sometimes play an elf or a dwarf, just to switch up my PCs for variety.


DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I absolutely don't get folks' love for kitsune or any other anthropomorphized race. But that's just me.

It's not just you. I think they're stupid. I mean, to each their own, but all of the animal-people, especially cat-people...clearly there's a lot of closet furries out there.

I don't like them in videogames, either. Never once played a Khajit or Argonian in any Elder Scrolls games, and I don't plan on starting, even if they end up the next game's Breton-level awesome race.


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At least you are not rabid about it. I've blocked about 30 people on twitter because they acted like the MLP or furries in general were a plot to blow up the planet! Anybody pushing that kind of hate garbage needs meds.


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I can't speak for anyone else but playing a Catfolk is the realization of everything my 6 year old self ever wanted. I'm neutral on the other animal races and admittedly find kitsune to be a bit of a Mary Sue race like the aasimar.


Goth Guru wrote:
At least you are not rabid about it. I've blocked about 30 people on twitter because they acted like the MLP or furries in general were a plot to blow up the planet! Anybody pushing that kind of hate garbage needs meds.

That's just foolish of them. Not my cup of tea, and if someone at the table starts licking their hand like it's a paw, I may throw something at them (a balled up napkin or something not painful, obviously), but pushing hate for that is just even more stupid.

I'm pretending to be a mighty warrior as a grown man incapable of doing five pull-ups. Who am I to judge if someone else wishes they were some kind of animal-human hybrid? That's just as likely to happen as it is for me to split a fire-breathing dragon with a sword forged of pure starmetal.


What if it is a very small dragon?


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I absolutely don't get folks' love for kitsune or any other anthropomorphized race. But that's just me.

Oh yeah? Well I don't get why I keep reading your name as "DungeonmasterSoCal," so there!


I don't hate the furry races, I just don't get the attraction. Nor do I hate the people who play them. I know in my homebrew there's only one (and I allowed it very early on in my first Pathfinder campaign because the player begged for it) but I wish I hadn't. But no one else has bothered to play one so on my next homebrew rules update I may toss them out.

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thegreenteagamer wrote:
Not my cup of tea, ... but pushing hate for that is just even more stupid.
Earlier, thegreenteagamer wrote:
I mean, to each their own, but all of the animal-people, especially cat-people...clearly there's a lot of closet furries out there.

I'm having trouble reconciling your later statement of "let's not hate on people for liking the anthropomorphic races" with your prior statement of "people liking anthropomorphic races indicates some kind of deep-rooted fetish or identity issue".

Seems a bit contradictory to me. That is, unless you yourself really do get off on believing that you're a member of whatever races you prefer to play and wouldn't consider it mean for people to draw that conclusion about you. If that's the case, then I suppose there's no issue. But if not, then having the above two posts come from the same person is a bit... bizarre.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I don't hate the furry races, I just don't get the attraction. Nor do I hate the people who play them. I know in my homebrew there's only one (and I allowed it very early on in my first Pathfinder campaign because the player begged for it) but I wish I hadn't. But no one else has bothered to play one so on my next homebrew rules update I may toss them out.

My personal homebrew has antro Boston Terriers.


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Ok, I am, as my moniker says, "Dungeonmaster"Cal. Which means the rare occasion I get to be a player makes me as excited as Ralphie opening up his presents and finding the Red Ryder BB gun. But my friend, who occasionally GMs, is terrible. He's won awards for gaming at Cons (I've seen them) but the other GMs at that moment must've been snorting cocaine or something because every game he runs is a mess.

Last night we were playing some module (he won't tell us the names of the modules he runs) but it involved a magical train that floated above a track made of mercury and the berths in the cars were much larger than they should've been (extra dimensional spaces). And don't get me wrong, I LOVE roleplaying my characters, but 2 hours went by with NOTHING happening but being told to go this window or talk to that person ABOUT the train itself and its wonders. I was ready to gnaw my arm off to escape the trap I was in when a friend I'd not seen in several years shows up and the game grinds to a halt as we all sit and catch up on what we've been doing the last few years. Thank goodness he did. I was ready to walk out of my own house (where the game was being held) and fall on my bad knee on the sidewalk for entertainment.

Ok, that's my grievance for the day. I looked forward for 2 weeks to that game, and wanted to swallow molten glass for excitement instead.


OH, and did I mention he told all the players to advance to 9th level from 8th before the game except my cleric, who he wanted to go back to 7th because he thought she was "too powerful". I refused and threatened to toss him out of my house, so there was a little tension involved in the evening, too.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
OH, and did I mention he told all the players to advance to 9th level from 8th before the game except my cleric, who he wanted to go back to 7th because he thought she was "too powerful". I refused and threatened to toss him out of my house, so there was a little tension involved in the evening, too.

Let him. Murder the s~~! out of his character. Smile smugly. "I guess you weren't too tough after all." Win.


Ahhhh, the Cleric has to be high level, so they can heal the damage the PCs are supposed to take, as they slay baddies and find treasures.

I hope you made lots of Scooby Doo references. Was there even a murder to solve?


I have no idea. We never got that far before my friend from out of town showed up and saved my evening.

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Grievance: A couple of players decide they want to use Aid Another for their tablemate's Diplomacy check. GM decides that if your CHA is too low, then failing the Aid Another check by 5 or more will impose a penalty rather than simply not helping. GM then accuses the players of metagaming.

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My game is every other Sunday, and since its labor day weekend, no session this Sunday :(


I started a topic about special characteristics for random towns. I invited anyone to add to the list. The only answer I got was some uncreative jerk who asked what weird ruleset I was using. I told him it was the homebrew subboard, not the troll rally, but now I'm afraid to go back and look.

Some time in the future, maybe 2525 or so, they will have cured most of the maladies that creative people suffer from. No allergies, chemical brain imbalances, and slow, torturous diseases.They will go pouring through the records of our time looking for stuff they can use for the holo movies and games of their time. Sometimes they will find a stub topic where someone pooped their negativity all over an interesting idea.

My life is already a horrendous torment that such idiots would not survive a day of.

Grand Lodge

Goth Guru wrote:
I started a topic about special characteristics for random towns. I invited anyone to add to the list. The only answer I got was some uncreative jerk who asked what weird ruleset I was using. I told him it was the homebrew subboard, not the troll rally, but now I'm afraid to go back and look.

That seems to happen to you often.


Pan wrote:
My game is every other Sunday, and since its labor day weekend, no session this Sunday :(

Our games are usually Saturdays, but we're playing this coming Sunday because it IS the Labor Day weekend. We can get an earlier start and a longer session in.


Jiggy wrote:
Grievance: A couple of players decide they want to use Aid Another for their tablemate's Diplomacy check. GM decides that if your CHA is too low, then failing the Aid Another check by 5 or more will impose a penalty rather than simply not helping. GM then accuses the players of metagaming.

So, you have a person, fairly diplomatic. He wants to make a friend, get a bargain, whatever. Are you saying that the rude, ugly boor with bad breath interrupting him with 'Gives us a bargain you snot nosed creep or I'll chop you wit dis axe" will only help?

They took the plus points, they need to understand there are sometimes bad things from dumping.

Your DM was right.

Grand Lodge

How is that a Diplomacy check? Aid or otherwise?


TriOmegaZero wrote:
How is that a Diplomacy check? Aid or otherwise?

Setting straw-men on fire is rude, you know.


DrDeth wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Grievance: A couple of players decide they want to use Aid Another for their tablemate's Diplomacy check. GM decides that if your CHA is too low, then failing the Aid Another check by 5 or more will impose a penalty rather than simply not helping. GM then accuses the players of metagaming.

So, you have a person, fairly diplomatic. He wants to make a friend, get a bargain, whatever. Are you saying that the rude, ugly boor with bad breath interrupting him with 'Gives us a bargain you snot nosed creep or I'll chop you wit dis axe" will only help?

They took the plus points, they need to understand there are sometimes bad things from dumping.

Your DM was right.

No system can protect the player of the houserule of bad/jerk Gms, I guess.

Silver Crusade

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There's already an entire thread in the PFS subforum about this diplomacy stuff. Let's not derail this thread, too.

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DrDeth wrote:
Are you saying that the rude, ugly boor with bad breath interrupting him with 'Gives us a bargain you snot nosed creep or I'll chop you wit dis axe" will only help?

If you want people to face the consequences of what they have their characters say and do, that's fine. But you don't get to decide how other people's characters act and then expect them to face the consequences of what you invented.

Someone who tries to play other people's characters according to their own vision and then expects the other players to be penalized for it has no right to be at the table.

EDIT: As an aside, the appropriateness of double-dipping CHA penalties wasn't even my main point. It was that the act of trying to help a tablemate was being labeled "metagaming" by the person who was himself acting on knowledge of game statistics. The irony and hypocrisy there is astounding.


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While I think it's not metagaming, I do not approve of fumble rules. A friend with 18 charisma trying to help can still roll a 1.

I also do not like it when another player is bored so they attempt something that just wastes everyone's time. Tell mr. ugly that the more they act up the longer they have to wait for the next combat.


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Jiggy wrote:
DrDeth wrote:
Are you saying that the rude, ugly boor with bad breath interrupting him with 'Gives us a bargain you snot nosed creep or I'll chop you wit dis axe" will only help?

If you want people to face the consequences of what they have their characters say and do, that's fine. But you don't get to decide how other people's characters act and then expect them to face the consequences of what you invented.

Someone who tries to play other people's characters according to their own vision and then expects the other players to be penalized for it has no right to be at the table.

EDIT: As an aside, the appropriateness of double-dipping CHA penalties wasn't even my main point. It was that the act of trying to help a tablemate was being labeled "metagaming" by the person who was himself acting on knowledge of game statistics. The irony and hypocrisy there is astounding.

OK, so the rude, ugly boor with bad breath and poor speech can say whatever the players wants him to say. He is still a rude, ugly boor with bad breath and poor speech and he's not gonna "help".

The guy with the 6 str isnt gonna help the guy with 18 strenght - if that's what the DM rules. The DM can assign a + or - 2 penalty at whim, based upon circumstances. It's in the rules.

I dont see how that is ironic or hypocritical, the DM can't metagame. He is the Dm.


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Players (including GMs) that can't eat with their mouths closed. Is it no longer considered polite for people to not hear each other chewing? Ugh!


Tried a Roll20 game once where one of the players was eating Doritos while on mic. It was disgusting.


I love my fellow F2F buddies but one or two of them are not only bad to not chew with their mouths completely closed but also smack their lips while they eat.

Whyyyyy ;_;


DrDeth wrote:

the DM can't metagame. He is the Dm.

So you're saying that every NPC in the world can act as if they know everything the GM knows, and it isn't metagaming?

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