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I really wish they'd put these all on one page...
If you are a quadruped (or have more than four legs), you can have claws on your feet. If you have claws on all of your feet, normally you can't use all of those claw attacks on your turn unless you have a special ability such as pounce or rake.
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Kitsune change won't cure Baleful polymorph.It will, actually. Kitsune have the Shapechanger subtype, and Baleful Polymorph says this:
Incorporeal or gaseous creatures are immune to baleful polymorph, and a creature with the shapechanger subtype can revert to its natural form as a standard action.You'd have to make the will save to not have your mind turned into an animal, but you can turn back fine.
I'd think if you failed the will save, you'd be a little more problem than that...
If this second save fails, the creature loses its extraordinary, supernatural, and spell-like abilities, loses its ability to cast spells (if it had the ability), and gains the alignment, special abilities, and Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores of its new form in place of its own.
Kitsune shape change ability is a Supernatural ability. If you fail the Will save, you lose that ability. If you made the Will save, you'd still have it and could revert as you wish though...
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It has nothing to do with the Kitsune change shape ability, and everything to do with the shapechanger subtype. Baleful polymorph specifically calls out creatures with the shapechanger subtype can shift back to normal as a standard action.
Right, but why would a kitty cat know that its a kitsune that can do that?
I mean I haven't ASKED my cat if he's ever thought of being a kitsune but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he hasn't. The bewildering interactions of polymorph rules aside, without having the mental faculties to know "I am a kitsune, I can change my shape" you can't do it.
You can get 99% of what you're going for here with the foxshape feat. Head for that
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It has nothing to do with the Kitsune change shape ability, and everything to do with the shapechanger subtype. Baleful polymorph specifically calls out creatures with the shapechanger subtype can shift back to normal as a standard action.Right, but why would a kitty cat know that its a kitsune that can do that?
I mean I haven't ASKED my cat if he's ever thought of being a kitsune but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he hasn't. The bewildering interactions of polymorph rules aside, without having the mental faculties to know "I am a kitsune, I can change my shape" you can't do it.
You can get 99% of what you're going for here with the foxshape feat. Head for that
This.
You no longer have the mental capacity of a kitsune. You think you're a house cat (or whatever you've changed into). You have no knowledge, desire, will, or wherewithal to try and change to anything else if you fail your Will save.
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It has nothing to do with the Kitsune change shape ability, and everything to do with the shapechanger subtype. Baleful polymorph specifically calls out creatures with the shapechanger subtype can shift back to normal as a standard action.Right, but why would a kitty cat know that its a kitsune that can do that?
I mean I haven't ASKED my cat if he's ever thought of being a kitsune but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he hasn't. The bewildering interactions of polymorph rules aside, without having the mental faculties to know "I am a kitsune, I can change my shape" you can't do it.
You can get 99% of what you're going for here with the foxshape feat. Head for that
This.
You no longer have the mental capacity of a kitsune. You think you're a house cat (or whatever you've changed into). You have no knowledge, desire, will, or wherewithal to try and change to anything else if you fail your Will save.
I don't know. My cat is constantly willing himself to develop opposable thumbs. I dread the day he finally succeeds.
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What if his ally pathfinder uses speak with animals to tell him he's a fox-person? Does his cat brain explode and get super smart as he changes back to a kitsune? Maybe if fox's (haha) cunning cast first?
Baleful polymorph doesn't change the type, so he's still technically not a an animal you can talk to with speak with animals.
As a cat, he probably considers the talky party members beneath his notice. He's DEFINITELY going to consider turning into anything thats notacat as a downgrade. His people are gods you know.
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Nope. Doesn't matter how many claws you have, you can normally only make use of 2 of them.
So as a quadruped, i could get claw x3 and bite x1, standing on 1 leg with a spinning flurry of claws... or just go fox form and be less complicated. And less thematic.
It is like how some people say you can get 2 gore attacks or two bite attacks with a single head. Though you have one head, you are not really able to much on multiple targets in one round like Homer on doughnuts.
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So you just need fox's cunning then.That doesn't help. You're now an especially smart cat that KNOWS its better than anything else. Nor is giving you an int score of 6 going to let you suddenly speak taldan and let the party explain the complex predicament you're now in.
How about the Bear's Jig masterpiece? Lets them gain intellect as the Awaken Spell for a few rounds.
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You don't need Taldan, you still can understand common. Then someone just tells you that you are not a cat. You don't lose your ability to understand a language when you are polymorphed, you do lose the ability to read and speak it though. Once the stat is bumped back up you are just fine.
So you just need fox's cunning then.That doesn't help. You're now an especially smart cat that KNOWS its better than anything else. Nor is giving you an int score of 6 going to let you suddenly speak taldan and let the party explain the complex predicament you're now in.
Umm...Taldane IS common...
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If you fail the will save, Baleful Polymorph turns you into a normal animal, except that your actual stats are "sleeping" somewhere in the background, which is why your mental ability scores and alignment change to those of the animal. That's how I always rule it, which means such a character is essentially dead unless something like Break Enchantment is cast on the victim.
Seriously, Baleful Polymorph is an offensive spell. Trying to abuse it should remain a dangerous thing to do.
Either way I like this thread, because now I can use baleful polymorph to change anything with the shapechanger subtype into a kitten and if they fail the will save I can show my GM that they cannot do anything about it.
Yep, if you cast Baleful Polymorph on an NPC and that NPC fails both saves, you have defeated him/her. Happened to me once in a home game when the witch wanted to try out her new spell on the boss of the dungeon they were in. The barbarian wasn't too happy to see the fight he was looking forward to being canceled.
