If Another AP Got a Hardcover Makeover, Which One Would You Want?


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Aelryinth wrote:

Worms.

They'd have to move it to Golarion to do serious justice for it, however, and that would involve some big rewrites.

===Aelryinth

Please please please Paizo!!!

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Earl of the Malebolge wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:

Worms.

They'd have to move it to Golarion to do serious justice for it, however, and that would involve some big rewrites.

===Aelryinth

Please please please Paizo!!!

sigh

Wizards' IP, unfortunately. :(

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Yes, not Paizo's decision at all.


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I'd like to see some updates to old school classics like Expedition to the Fluffy Bunny Peaks (I think) or even Against the Giants, or even possibly Undermountain, but no would do another Mega Dungeon, that'd be crazy :-)

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Curse of the Crimson Throne please. It would be very cool to have it updated from 3.5 to Pathfinder RPG and I enjoyed the AP very much.


Just throwing out an idea here that I wouldn't expect to go anywhere, but is it conceivable that instead of doing a 3.5 AP like CotCT or Second Darkness as a hardcover, they could instead re-release it as a normal 6-part AP, but updated for Pathfinder and re-tooled a bit to smooth out rough edges and fill in gaps? Would people buy it a 2nd time in that format? I know I would, but I'm regrettably a hopeless victim of the completist disease.
If it were to happen, I'd expect it to happen with the largely sold-out CotCT instead of Second Darkness, since they apparently still have so many copies of that one sitting in the warehouse.

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I would too... but we are so few, we hopeless ones. :)

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Curse of the Crimson throne.

Mike


Kalindlara wrote:
Earl of the Malebolge wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:

Worms.

They'd have to move it to Golarion to do serious justice for it, however, and that would involve some big rewrites.

===Aelryinth

Please please please Paizo!!!

sigh

Wizards' IP, unfortunately. :(

That's an interesting thought though. Maybe they couldn't do a word for word reprint, but perhaps a spiritual successor (these seem all the rage these days anyways)?


Second Darkness, please!


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Why not aggregate this data: Survey Monkey Link


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You shouldn't include one's owned by wizards of the coast like shackled city, as they aren't really options :-)

Still its a very nice survey and I cast my vote :-)


LEGACY OF FIRE!!! Sweet Jeebus that would be awesome, especially if they added more content!

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GreyWolfLord wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Earl of the Malebolge wrote:
Aelryinth wrote:

Worms.

They'd have to move it to Golarion to do serious justice for it, however, and that would involve some big rewrites.

===Aelryinth

Please please please Paizo!!!

sigh

Wizards' IP, unfortunately. :(

That's an interesting thought though. Maybe they couldn't do a word for word reprint, but perhaps a spiritual successor (these seem all the rage these days anyways)?

That's awfully close to lawsuit territory.


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Yeah Iron Gods and Giantslayer aren't spiritual successors so much as inspired by their source material


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GreyWolfLord wrote:


That's an interesting thought though. Maybe they couldn't do a word for word reprint, but perhaps a spiritual successor (these seem all the rage these days anyways)?

About as close as you can legally get for that sort of thing would be like Savage Tide being redone as Wrath of the Righteous. Copying any overt story elements besides the broadest (hunt down a demon lord to his realm and kill him before he does X bad thing to the material world) would be lawsuit bait.


How about a PDF version?

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The problem is having the time to put it together in the first place. If they could do that, then they could highly probably sell it in book form just the same. But PDF/paper isn't the issue, it's the amount of work.


After Occult Adventures is released, and the adventure path got a "makeover" to consider the new content, I'd be happy to spend the cash on a hardcover, "Carrion Crown", or "Reign of Winter".

Both overflow with setting atmosphere and originality that make it worth buying, rather than just GM/DMing my own homemade adventure.

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Joe Hex wrote:

After Occult Adventures is released, and the adventure path got a "makeover" to consider the new content, I'd be happy to spend the cash on a hardcover, "Carrion Crown", or "Reign of Winter".

Both overflow with setting atmosphere and originality that make it worth buying, rather than just GM/DMing my own homemade adventure.

I don't know much about Reign of Winter, since I'm playing in it and am trying to avoid specific spoilers.

But anyone who knows Carrion Crown can think of one big reason for a revision. Now, I loved Carrion Crown (almost finished running it), but when they caught a major issue with the metaplot before the Path was even finished... it's pretty obvious. :)

So even as someone who's already run it, I'd love to see

Carrion Crown:
Charnel Crown: Adivion Adrissant Anniversary Edition

Plus, get some Occult Adventures in there. Yeah. I put some in myself, but it's not the same...


Gladior wrote:
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I put my vote for Second Darkness, but lot of compelling choices in there.


^Actually, after reading some more of this Curse of the Crimson Throne campaign journal, I am switching my vote over to that. What a reload! (In more ways than one, if you read enough spoilers . . . .)


Paizo should hire Inspectre for work on Curse of the Crimson Throne Anniversary Edition.

While we're at it, one of the support material sections should be a Hellknight Magus archetype (Hellknight Signifer is a rather bad prestige class for a Magus to go into), which compared to a regular Magus would fight more with more of a mind to defense (less Nova, and gain penalty-free ability to use Medium and Heavy armor earlier), battlefield control, buffing, and summoning fiendish aid, and at higher levels also gaining Smite Chaos, with the last two abilities perhaps being by way of Hellknight Magus Arcana.


Paizo should hire Inspectre for work on Second Darkness Anniversary Edition (scroll down to second Spoiler in there).

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Samy wrote:

I think the issue is that they don't want to hand either the AP or the hardcover to just any temp.

I suspect that the people responsible for the APs (Rob and James) have their APs lined up for several years into the future and would not want to give those up.

At the same time, James probably also feels very proprietary about the early APs and if they were hardcovered, he would want to be involved in the process.

So you'd need to hire a second James Jacobs, really. It's the shortage of him that's the issue. You can't replace that with just any temp.

(That may be oversimplifying a bit; there may be other key people than James involved as well, but the main point stands -- Paizo has key people in place who know what they want to do in revised APs, and they also have other projects crowding them.)

Couldn't that technically be solved by having someone else(who isn't temp) work on APs for a while? Or I dunno, get third permanent person work on them?

Granted, I doubt any of those options would happen, but its interesting to wonder about it

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Chances are, any out-of-the-norm AP refurb would probably land on JJ because the APs are his thing, especially the older ones. That's what happened with RotRL:AE.

Pulling another person who's already a Paizo employee off whatever they're doing to rework an AP just means that the thing/line they were working on suffers.

-Skeld

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Skeld wrote:

Chances are, any out-of-the-norm AP refurb would probably land on JJ because the APs are his thing, especially the older ones. That's what happened with RotRL:AE.

Pulling another person who's already a Paizo employee off whatever they're doing to rework an AP just means that the thing/line they were working on suffers.

-Skeld

Pretty much, yeah. And pulling in someone entirely new who's out-of-house to build one would be even more disruptive. But that said, part of our recent hiring of three new developers is in part to help us deal with special projects like these (of which things like Inner Sea Gods and Inner Sea Races both would count) as they come up.

IF we do this again, it'd be something we plan ahead and incorporate into (likely my) schedules as appropriate. Further... while public requests are always good to keep in mind, there'd be a LOT of other factors at play that would decide what one we'd do if we ever do it again.


Second Darkness


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Crimson Throne. Pathfinder rules and maybe more on the whole suddenly dropped Shoanti invasion.


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Curse of the Crimson Throne for sure. Wow seems like there is an interest there. Who needs sleep JJ?

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Second Darkness would benefit most from the re-writing that would result from a Hardcover.

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Lord Fyre wrote:
Second Darkness would benefit most from the re-writing that would result from a Hardcover.

Second Darkness would benefit the most, true, but Crimson Throne is the one the majority of us want to see. Also the one that has three of its volumes out of print, while all volumes of Second Darkness are still available here on paizo.com. That was the big reason for RotRL AE, IIRC. Then again, that logic might lead us to Kingmaker Revised Edition, which wouldn't be a bad thing, either...


Seems like the top three request are cotct, second darkness, and king maker. I'd be okay with any of those.


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Kingmaker seems to be Paizo's second most popular AP - from the number of forum posts. It's older and out of print. I suspect it would be the best option, especially because the kingdom building rules need some polishing. It's the AP I most want to run. . .

Nick


Simple Solution James Jacobs.......Clones!

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Pexx wrote:
Simple Solution James Jacobs.......Clones!

Because never in the history of speculative fiction have clone backfired.


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Bah! Speculative Fiction is far too anti-technology.

http://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/

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ZanThrax wrote:

Bah! Speculative Fiction is far too anti-technology.

LINK

Fixed it for you.

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@James Jacobs: Phantasy Star II, Planet's Edge, and (technically) Chrono Trigger would prove you wrong! =p

Anyway, I'd dearly love to see a Jade Regent: Anniversary Edition that at least makes the caravan rules useful.

Failing that, I'll settle for 450 pages of "Why I'm So Awesome, by Ameiko Kaijutsu."


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James Jacobs wrote:
Pexx wrote:
Simple Solution James Jacobs.......Clones!
Because never in the history of speculative fiction have clone backfired.

I would just like to point out that in fact, never in the history of speculative fiction have James Jacobs clones backfired.


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Curse of the Crimson Throne, for sure.


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I have been collecting stuff for my favorite RPG for a very long time. In all the editions it was called D&D, throughout the D20 era and now in the Pathfinder era. I literally have 6 creaking bookshelves full of books. While this is certainly not everything ever put out by every company it is a really good representation. And certainly all the really good stuff is their. All the classics are their I won't name them because you all know which ones I'm talking about.

So that being said. What makes an adventure a classic? Excellence, Fond Memories, Originality to name a few good reasons. And while most of Paizo's AP's are well written examples of great RPG fare. The truth is only one stands out as a contender to join the great classics of old. And that would of course be Curse of the Crimson Throne. Thus making it the obvious choice to be given the treatment of a beautiful hardcover and making a print book available to the masses who missed it the first time.

Those who are saying Second Darkness just wanna see it live up to its potential and although kingmaker is a fine adventure it is a sandbox and already available in pathfinder.

So Yeah My choice would be Curse of the Crimson Throne.


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Pexx wrote:
Simple Solution James Jacobs.......Clones!

Bad idea, Cloning a T-Rex. Have you not seen Jurassic Park? :)


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Curse of the Crimson Throne would be my first choice.

Second Darkness my second choice.

Yes, I meant to do that.


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Absolutely Curse of the Crimson Throne. It was really fun and would make an excellent hardcover.

I also wouldn't mind a Wrath of the Righteous hardcover edition. Both because I loved the adventure, and because my poor books had shoddy glue and fell apart. It would be great to have a nice sturdy copy! :)


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James Jacobs wrote:
Pexx wrote:
Simple Solution James Jacobs.......Clones!
Because never in the history of speculative fiction have clone backfired.

I see a James Jacobs / Calvin and Hobbes Duplicator crossover coming...

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+1 to Curse

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CorvusMask wrote:

Curse of Crimson Throne or Legacy of Fire being updated to current rules would be dream come true for me. First is just awesome, and second one is.. Well, how many genie based campaigns you know of? Huh? HUH? :P

Seriously though, nothing wrong with Second Darkness I suppose, but drow just don't interest me that much. That being said, I do want it to be updated too since I'm not good at converting and I'd like some darklands campaign :)

Yeah, I would like Legacy of Fire brought up to date as well. A genie based campaign is pretty rare.


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Kingmaker, updated with the Ultimate Campaign rules and maybe with some of the content from the numerous posts on this board.


Council of Thieves or Legacy of Fire. Though I would prefer if LoF had less dungeon crawling from the latter modules (from what ive read).

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