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*sigh* I really wanted Toph to just so effortlessly hand Kuvira her ass and then just walk away, because she's the g@%~++n Blind-Bandit!
Yeah she is ruthless that is for sure.
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You know, if Rava is right, if Korra can bend spirit energy, then this fight is going to be very short. (Heck, if she can bend the metal barrel of the weapon, this is going to be a short fight.)
I suspect that Korra is doing so very little because the series is vamping. Once Korra starts acting as the Avatar, she'll clear the tables pretty fast.
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Of course, when Baatar Jr. said I love you to her and she didn't reciprocate in kind, I knew right then that he was nothing more than a pawn in her empire-building scheme. As far as the weapon is concerned...
You know, if Rava is right, if Korra can bend spirit energy, then this fight is going to be very short. (Heck, if she can bend the metal barrel of the weapon, this is going to be a short fight.)
I suspect that Korra is doing so very little because the series is vamping. Once Korra starts acting as the Avatar, she'll clear the tables pretty fast.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. There's going to be a point where she goes Avatar and then just catches or deflects the spirit energy, or she goes into SpiritMechaKorra mode and gets into a giant Spirit Korra vs Giant Mecha battle.
I will say, that if they ever do another Avatar series, it's basically all but confirmed it will be Avatar in Space.
I am still disappointed that we never got to see the firebender that killed Mako's/Bolin's parents, he might been the same one that killed Asami's mother as well.
There's only two episodes left in this season...
Anyone else feel this is going to be a rushed ending that tries it's best to wrap up as many plot points as possible?
No, because there's only one plot point to wrap up.. Korra vs Kuivera, the Rematch for the All The Marbles. Everything else is just cake. We don't need any more references to the previous cast of characters, they're done.There's only two episodes left in this season...
Anyone else feel this is going to be a rushed ending that tries it's best to wrap up as many plot points as possible?
- Knowledge of spirit energy as a power source (will this be hidden or used, as nuclear power was?)
- Destruction of the Spirit Mecha- Battle of Republic City
- The 'real' response of the spirits to the use of their energy as a weapon.
- Kuvira vs Korra
- Whether or nor Korra regains her connection to her past lives
- Korra/Mako/Asami triangle
- Bataar Jr. response to Kuvira deciding to kill him
- The settlement of the Earth Empire. It's unlikely the Earth Empire will simply settle down and become peaceful once more.
- Freeing the imprisoned citizens of the Earth Empire.
- Crowning of Prince Wu as the Monarch of the new Earth Empire.
Most importantly of all: Balance.
No, because there's only one plot point to wrap up.. Korra vs Kuivera, the Rematch for the All The Marbles. Everything else is just cake. We don't need any more references to the previous cast of characters, they're done.There's only two episodes left in this season...
Anyone else feel this is going to be a rushed ending that tries it's best to wrap up as many plot points as possible?
- Knowledge of spirit energy as a power source (will this be hidden or used, as nuclear power was?)
- Destruction of the Spirit Mecha
- Battle of Republic City
- The 'real' response of the spirits to the use of their energy as a weapon.
- Kuvira vs Korra
- Whether or nor Korra regains her connection to her past lives
- Korra/Mako/Asami triangle
- Bataar Jr. response to Kuvira deciding to kill him
- The settlement of the Earth Empire. It's unlikely the Earth Empire will simply settle down and become peaceful once more.
- Freeing the imprisoned citizens of the Earth Empire.
- Crowning of Prince Wu as the Monarch of the new Earth Empire.Most importantly of all: Balance.
1.No doubt that will be part of the final battle, so not a separate point.
2. as per same, Republic City is most likely where K and K's showdown come.
3. We've heard their response, why do you assume it was fake?
4. Again, this and the battle of Republic City will most likely be the same event.
5. Not really important, the whole point is that Avatar Korra will succeed or fail as her own woman, not dependent on her past lives any longer.
6. The Triangle had it's time and it's pretty much resolved, Maako isn't involved with either and Korra and Asami probabably have the strongest friendship of anyone in the series.
7. Not exactly what I consider either a mystery or a major plot point.
8. More likely than you think.
9. and 10, pretty much your last three points are all wrapped up with each other.
Way to just totally miss the point. You claimed there was only 1 plot point to wrap up, when there is obviously a lot more, and it's not as easy as you seem to think it is.
1) How will the people of the Avatar world respond to the knowledge of spirit energy as a power source? Will it be sealed away? Will it be used as weapons? It seems unavoidable, now, that the knowledge is going to get out and be abused by someone else. It's entirely likely spirit energy will be akin to nuclear power in our world, with everyone trying to harness it and weaponize it because they know that if they don't it could be used against them.
2) Indeed, the destruction of the mecha is going to happen during the final battle, but it's the method and time taken to destroy the mecha that will be a factor. The time it takes to destroy the factor should be significant, but this comes at a cost of all of the other plot points needing to be wrapped up.
3) It's not that it's fake, it's more that I suspect it was a rushed response and that the spirits will show up and help in someway. Based off the season finale of season 2, any sort of deus ex machina is on the table at this point.
4) Agreed, it will be in the final battle, but it will be another event that takes time, and no doubt a significant portion at that.
5) Succeeding or failing as her own women isn't the issue here, it's that she is unbalanced and still in need of guidance. It's a flaw in the canon of the show that it happened in the first place because Raava was never destroyed as Raava *can't* be destroyed as she is the opposite of Vaatu and neither can exist without the other nor can either be destroyed. That means the connection is still there, Korra just needs to find it. Same as Aang did when his connection with Raava was disrupted, but he still maintained his connection to his past lives. Now Korra is in the opposite situation, being connected to Raava, but unable to find her past lives.
6) The Triangle is in it's death throes, yes, but there is still something there as the writers keep bringing it up every once in awhile. Again, it's an unresolved plot thread.
7) How Bataar Jr. reacts to Kuvira is an event that will take up screen time, meaning less time for other things. Which is the whole point. They have to cram a lot of stuff into these next two episodes, or they will leave unresolved plot threads, which is bad writing.
8) No, it's not. The kingdom was already in turmoil while the queen was alive, with the people on the verge of a full on civil war against their tyrannical queen. Now you've got entire villages uprooted and held in captivity and their crops or livelihoods destroyed. Many have resorted to banditry or been forced into the military to serve under Kuvira. There is a lot of civil unrest, and it's not simply going to 'go away'.
9) Again, lots of villagers have been imprisoned, many at great distances from their home. They need to be brought returned to their homes, no easy feet, considering many of their homes have likely been destroyed.
10) This is just another plot thread that will take up more screen time, which is the point I'm trying to make.
All of these things will take up screen time if they are to be resolved. I suspect there will be 3-5 minutes of people looking for survivors and then finding Korra, then another 3-5 minutes of them talking about their plans and convincing Bataar Jr. to tell them how to destroy the Mecha. Then there will be probably 5 minutes or so of a pitched battle outside Republic City, falling back into the city itself. Then there will be a few minutes of Korra and the gang sneaking into the Mecha and destroying it's power source or sabotaging one of the spirit vine canisters to cause it to blow up, likely through energy bending. Then there will be a scene of the mecha falling and then Kuvira rising from the wreckage, ready to battle.
Next episode is more pitched fighting and showing the events as the airbenders help the soldiers defend the city. Then cut to Korra and Kuvira as they duke it out in the middle of the battlefield. Kuvira will have the upper hand as Korra is too hesitant to use her Avatar powers in the fullest. Then, probably a message from Zaheer who reminds her how to not be afraid and then flashbacks and voice over as he guided her into the spirit realm. Now she goes full Avatar and starts trouncing Kuvira and Kuvira is defeated. Then there needs to be the aftermath of the battle, talk about clean up, crowning of Prince Wu, restoration of the people etc.
It's a lot of things for them to do in such a short amount of time, and I'm afraid they won't be able to do it without it feeling rushed. That's my big concern, so it doesn't get the rushed ending that Season 1 had.
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Folks, please. It's a double-length episode, so there's certainly going to be some plot going on. It's not just going to be Avatar Korra throwing one punch and then 48 minutes of credits.
But it is going to be a unified resolution. There are minor matters that need some air time to be resolved (Varrick and Jhu Li) but considerably more minor matters that do not (freeing Kuvira's prisoners, Earth Kingdom banditry under Wu, Asame and her father). The writers have made smart choices so far. I expect they'll continue to do so.
What the hell was that?!
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I called it back in November, in this very thread, no less.
Still haven't seen it, but it's already been spoiled for me by unscrupulous folk on social media. I still want to see it, though.
Oh, I understand you called it, jemstone. I just didn't see the in-story progression laid for it turning out that way.
A case could be made for it being laid out over the course of books 2-4, really, with the pattern of behavior between the two characters. Korra's been leaning pretty heavily on Asami (and vice versa) since early in book 2. So heavily, in fact, that I can't help but consider the idea that this was the plan all along, regardless of fanon and shippers.
I can't wait to see their reaction about the KorAsasmi ship in the finale.
I notice they skipped a lot of the 'aftermath' issues. I'm kind of expecting them to cover that all in comics though, similar to what they did with Aang.
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The finale reminded me of my one objection to the series:I wish they had animated the robots with traditional animation rather than CGI.
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As usual, jemstone, you have a way getting me to notice things I hadn't considered. I think I'm going to make you my "go to" person for whenever I miss stuff. I always appreciate your keen eye for nuance and detail.
You humble me.
I'm (ostensibly, when I'm not at my day job) a storyteller and writer, so I think I pay a lot of attention to these things. The fact that I watch the episodes twice - once as a fan, once as a writer - also helps. I want to observe how these things get done in their story so that I can emulate that in my own writing. I may not succeed, but at least I try.
And seriously, you humble me. Thank you.
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I kind of feel bad that I don't feel bad that it is over. I guess i'm not as attached to the series or their relationships as the previous series.
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The ending was perfect.
Again the victory was won through reason and compassion, instead of blind violence. Every character got an end to their dramatic arc.
AND THOSE FINAL MOMENTS!
Dunno how I feel about the KorraSami angle. I like that it's a happy ending for Korra, but it did seem kinda out of left field (meaning a surprise, not a political bent). I'll re-watch the series, and I'll be pondering that one for a while.
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Just watched it (twice!).
Man, I've got something in my eye.
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People who said that there is some ambiguity to the ending should check out this link:
*edit* .... aaand it was a fake, apparently. Well, amazing fan-work, I must say.
This has to be the only time I did not care for this particular plot twist.
And jemstone, damn, you're good, friend.
Vanity Fair article on the Korra finale.
You know, over all, there have been some issues with Korra I really did not like. The sudden advancement in technology, for example, and the mechas, really annoyed me. But I have to say, that finale (the part everyone knows I'm talking about), really placed the Korra series into a special place in my heart and I'm really excited to have been alive and witnessed that event.
This has to be the only time I did not care for this particular plot twist. . . .
Agreed. After looking at the article Tels linked, I thought a little more about the show than I had up until now.
I liked the increased ethnic diversity. I liked the several strong, deep female characters. The fact that it is now, apparently, impossible to have a complex and deep relationship without it needing to be romantic offends me a little. And yes, it did feel out of left field.
Korra is ultimately a disappointment. The villains were more compelling. Maybe the real subversive message here is destroy your history. Without a tie to the past we are free to make the same mistakes over again without realizing we have. Who needs the Shoulders of Giants?
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I liked the increased ethnic diversity. I liked the several strong, deep female characters. The fact that it is now, apparently, impossible to have a complex and deep relationship without it needing to be romantic offends me a little. And yes, it did feel out of left field.
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Honestly, it did feel out of left field, at first, but at the same time, I also saw all of the hints for it layered out through-out the show. I wasn't entirely certain it would happen, but I was delighted it did.
It reminds me, strongly, of the Harry/Ginny relationship from the Harry Potter series. Many people felt the development between Harry and Ginny just suddenly sprung up out of nowhere, but if you pay really close attention to the books, Harry's attraction to Ginny is very subtle, but almost blindingly obvious.
For example, there's a scene in Prisoner of Azkaban, when, in the Leaky Cauldron, I think the Twins did something to Percy as a joke, and, instead of turning to Ron to laugh, he turns his head and shares his laughter with Ginny. This is important as it shows he looks to her for laughter, and enjoys a similar humor to Ginnys.
Or there's scenes in the book (can't remember when, but I think Goblet of Fire), when he describes a curtain of red entering the common room out of the corner of his eye, and then realizes it's Ginny. Or, during the Order of the Phoenix, when all of the adults are talking about something important around the dinner table, there is, out of nowhere, a blurb on how Ginny is sitting on the floor, rolling bottlebear corks around, entertaining Crookshanks. This blurb is never mentioned again, then the narrative switches back to the dark topic of the war and stuff. Really random insert that has no bearing on the plot and is very out of place when put in perspective with the rest of the scene. There are more little subtle things like this that shows Harry has a subconscious, but powerful, awareness of where Ginny is and what Ginny is doing.
In a similar vein, there are sporadic, but compelling, hints as to the relationship through-out the series. When you see them, and add them together, it becomes one of those 'Why didn't I see that before' moments.
Personally I think the character who had the most subtle development in all of S4 was Prince Wu. He's been shown as a general puppet in the machine, trying to do what was expected of him rather than what he wanted. He's shown a general disdain for politics, and went out of his way to talk about what his position entailed and what his position demanded, then contrasted it with his own subtle digs at expectation and heredity.
He genuinely cared about the people of the Earth Kingdom - his upset at Kuvira's usurpation was real. He was a spoiled brat, as well. But he never once actually wanted to be the Earth King, and it's pretty obvious when you realize that when he talks about what he wants, being Earth King is never in the list. Ask him what he "needs to do" and it's "become Earth King." Ask him what he "wants" and it's "sing."
That he would make the suggestion that he did about how to handle the sovereignty of the Earth Kingdom wasn't a surprise to me, though I am surprised he didn't make it sooner. I guess they wanted it as part of the resolution scenes, rather than a sort of "Really, I think she's right about not needing a King any more, but she's going about it all wrong" manner.
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Not freaking... At least I'm not. Personally, the two being a couple isn't something to freak out over. She could've made a conscious decision to be alone and it would have been fine with me. In all honesty, I would have expected it.
No, it's just that the relationship 'seemed' to come out of nowhere. There obviously were hints that we weren't paying attention due to the focus on the 'big picture' as far as plot goes, enough that others picked up on it, but as someone who prides himself as being able to pick up small details like that, the fact that I didn't just doesn't sit well with me. And I'm obviously not alone.
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Not freaking... At least I'm not. Personally, the two being a couple isn't something to freak out over. She could've made a conscious decision to be alone and it would have been fine with me. In all honesty, I would have expected it.
No, it's just that the relationship 'seemed' to come out of nowhere. There obviously were hints that we weren't paying attention due to the focus on the 'big picture' as far as plot goes, enough that others picked up on it, but as someone who prides himself as being able to pick up small details like that, the fact that I didn't just doesn't sit well with me. And I'm obviously not alone.
Oh, absolutely, it was very subtle. I only even thought it might happen because I read lots of fanfiction, so whenever I see a remotely intimate scene in a show, my first thought is, "Bet someone who ships that is really happy." It just so happened, that those moments happened more and more often.
I will say, I think the writers pushed it as far as they could. Korra airs in some remarkably homophobic countries (like Russia for example), so I'm glad they were even able to give that much.
I really consider it an earth-bending success (in lieu of ground breaking), and I can't wait until my future sister-in-law gets a chance to watch it.
. . . It reminds me, strongly, of the Harry/Ginny relationship from the Harry Potter series. Many people felt the development between Harry and Ginny just suddenly sprung up out of nowhere, but if you pay really close attention to the books, Harry's attraction to Ginny is very subtle, but almost blindingly obvious. . . .
Then we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Reading the books, the lead up between Ron and Hermione was obvious but inexplicable, while Harry's attention was drawn to other places in a somewhat arbitrary fashion. The author even admitted
Rowling says that she should have put Hermione and Harry together in the Harry Potter series instead of Hermione and Ron, according to the publication’s headline, which reads, “JK admits Hermione should have wed Harry.”
“I wrote the Hermione/Ron relationship as a form of wish fulfillment,” she says. “That’s how it was conceived, really. For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more to do with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione ended up with Ron.”
Ginny was only there in a "I'm going to settle" kind of way. She just doesn't bring anything to the table. She not overtly anything other than a damsel in one book and background occasionally in the rest. Let's also not mention going after your friend's sister is a violation of the friend code.
A relationship between Hermione and Harry would have been based on shared experience, being somewhat perpetual outsiders, and mutual respect for each other. It made the most sense, and made even more sense watching the interaction of characters in the movies. I would have been more happy with the elimination of a romantic element and focusing on the main story rather than the inclusion of a poorly conceived pairing. For me, it breaks immersion.
In the same fashion, the initial Korra-Mako-Assami triangle was a bit out of place in something that is/was originally geared toward younger ages. The story wouldn't have suffered a bit for it's loss and might have even been better focusing on the development of friendships rather than romances. Onions have layers.
Of course I might just be saying this because I don't like the pairing. It's unsubstantiated (as in not enough events to support it happening) and unsupportable (as in the characters may have demonstrated friendship but they have nothing to demonstrate chemistry). I feel that anybody who goes on about how 'subtle' it is, might find too much meaning in me being polite or kind to a co-worker or customer or even a complete stranger. As Jung said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
And in this case, I would have preferred it just to be a cigar.
. . . It reminds me, strongly, of the Harry/Ginny relationship from the Harry Potter series. Many people felt the development between Harry and Ginny just suddenly sprung up out of nowhere, but if you pay really close attention to the books, Harry's attraction to Ginny is very subtle, but almost blindingly obvious. . . .Then we are just going to have to agree to disagree. Reading the books, the lead up between Ron and Hermione was obvious but inexplicable, while Harry's attention was drawn to other places in a somewhat arbitrary fashion. The author even admitted
Rowling says that she should have put Hermione and Harry together in the Harry Potter series instead of Hermione and Ron, according to the publication’s headline, which reads, “JK admits Hermione should have wed Harry.”
“I wrote the Hermione/Ron relationship as a form of wish fulfillment,” she says. “That’s how it was conceived, really. For reasons that have very little to do with literature and far more to do with me clinging to the plot as I first imagined it, Hermione ended up with Ron.”
Ginny was only there in a "I'm going to settle" kind of way. She just doesn't bring anything to the table. She not overtly anything other than a damsel in one book and background occasionally in the rest. Let's also not mention going after your friend's sister is a violation of the friend code.
A relationship between Hermione and Harry would have been based on shared experience, being somewhat perpetual outsiders, and mutual respect for each other. It made the most sense, and made even more sense watching the interaction of characters in the movies. I would have been more happy with the elimination of a romantic element and focusing on the main story rather than the inclusion of a poorly conceived pairing. For me, it breaks immersion.
In the same fashion, the initial Korra-Mako-Assami triangle was a bit out of place in something that is/was originally geared toward younger ages. The story...
I think it's more your preferences for a relationship are clouding your perception. Asami and Korra had many little hints strewn through-out seasons 2, 3 and especially 4, and it seems a great deal of people picked up on it (even if some of them were only joking or only projecting their own desires).
As for Harry and Hermion/Ginny? I would point you to the passage in Goblet of Fire in which Harry talks about how he's been hanging out with Hermione after the split between Ron and Harry. Harry mentions something like, "There's a less laughter and fun, and more time spent in the library and doing homework, when Hermione is your best friend." A relationship between them would have made more sense, but that's a lot more to do with J. K. Rowling not ever giving any other girl but Hermione any character development, rather than the personalities of the characters. Keep in mind, Ginny 'gets' Harry, better than even Hermione does, and really does understand Harry's core character.
It's important to note that Harry very much so enjoys laughter, and with that in mind, it's a very subtle clue when Harry seeks out Ginny to share a laugh with, in Prisoner of Azkaban, over others. Like I said, they Harry/Ginny relationship had even more subtle hints than KorrAsami did, but it was there.
As for not being as obvious about their relationship? I again, point out that Korra has a large vierwerbase in some very homophobic countries, and while they wanted to rock the boat and push boundaries, these things need to be done in steps.
Nothing pisses off people more when you're trying to change their mind about something, like cramming it down their throats.
I quite like the relationship and was hoping for it to happen early in season three, when I saw the first hints at it.
. . . and it seems a great deal of people picked up on it (even if some of them were only joking or only projecting their own desires). . .
Considering things like projection, confirmation bias, group think, and lots of terms that mean we see what we want to see, yeah, I think to a certain extent people create their own reality... even if it has no relationship at times to the actual reality.
And if something is popular enough, with the advent of social media allowing writers and fans to have more interaction than ever before, I can see the writers changing somethings to tailor things to majorities or vocal minorities.
And that's just an observation... make of it what you will.
. . . But what isn't remotely fair is to imply that those who do support it are simply doing so because they are the type to read too much into anything. That's just not cool.
Well Matt... maybe I'm an a&!+!+%.
However, I've had a few people I've known over this short existence that Do read too much into things. They'd point out things within a group dynamic and suddenly make things awkward putting things in peoples faces that they never would have noticed or considered. I've also known people who where just the opposite, the bull in the china shop stomping all over feelings and being completely unable to even notice that they were doing it.
It takes all kinds.
And I've never been cool, so maybe that fits.
The only problem I have with it is the use of the overdone 'cram both names together' crap. I hated it when the tabloids coined 'Bennifer' and like it even less now that any public couple (real or fictional) gets a similar moniker. Blegh.
I agree.
It's laziness trying to masquerade as wit. And is it that much harder to type 'you' as opposed to 'u' when texting? If you really want to save letters, invest in acronyms, people!