Although, I am posting blind. I dug it up out of my archives, but the computer that I posted it on back in the day (in an argument with Citizen Aretas, who, IIRC, was a great admirer of Franco) had QuickTime, while the computer I am posting on currently doesn't.
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Here's the full article: Washington Post: "I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me."
First of all, Fukc that asshoel!
I would also point out that he is a the perfect poster child for the LAPD. If you want to know why they are one of the most hated police departments in the world, THAT's why! What to know the opposite of correct police behavior - LAPD.
Their behavior was the inspiration to an entire genre of music:
Cop Killa - Ice Tea
Guerrillas in tha mist - Paris
(I would have linked "Coffee Donuts and Death, but the intro to that song is a little too harsh to link in a public forum. But almost every song by Paris is about cops and racial injustice.)
LAPD sucked 20+ years ago when all these songs were made, and I don't think much has changed.
And to get back to the untraceable image of American Nazis above, I still haven't found the source of that photo, but it turns out that "black snipers" were a fear during both the 1966 Hough Riots (which, to be honest, I had never even heard of) and the Detroit riots the following year (which I had heard of).
The wikipedia page has an amusing section on Alleged Communist Party Involvement, which made me chuckle because the commie party that I am currently a member of only has one person on the ground in St. Louis (although I hear others headed down from Minneapolis) and he was complaining that the only other real leftist in town is a white octogenarian member of the...Communist Party USA.
I can't imagine being red in Missouri is easy. Although, it makes me wonder where Comrade Barrister, a.k.a. Mean DM, is. IIRC, he practices law in the Show Me State. I like to think he's out with the NLG, providing free legal advice. He was always pretty sympathetic to gobbo communism for a Republican.
LAPD sucked 20+ years ago when all these songs were made, and I don't think much has changed.
[Mid-Musical Interlude Grooving]
[cough-cough]Christopher Dorner[cough-cough]
Oh, look! More black snipers!
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OK, as fun as the Gangsta Rap stuff is, I have to share a link that is one of the best things I have ever seen on the internet or anywhere else. I wish it was not so relevant, but sadly, these words have never been more needed then they are right now.
Sgt. Shamar Thomas vs the NYPD
I hate to ruin my well established tough-guy image, but I have to admit shedding a tear the first times I watched this.
Please watch this and show a friend.
(update) Reds, Rioting, and how it Really is!
The Four R's of the Goblin Reeducation Camp. (The fourth R is for Reeducation)
How about the Peekskill riot of 49! Happened in my backyard, when Paul Robeson had a concert that was attacked by stone throwing mobs. The police basically watched as yokels formed a gauntlet of stone throwing rednecks miles long as concert goers fled back to NYC. When they were going to have a second concert, they found several white snipers in trees planning to assassinate Paul Robeson.
My town used to have a communist enclave in my town, but I heard from a prominent local socialist and international activist, and photographer, that it has dwindled down to only a couple of old school Communists.
But I often think of this incident as an example of people in desperate need of police assistance. Some times, riot gear is needed. Law enforcement should be used to protect peoples right to protest, not stop them from protesting. I try to keep it in mind that the cop poking me with his billy club might be needed when the drunk rednecks show up...
On the other hand, the cops are usually the ones driving the pick up trucks.
EDIT: I just realized that I was arrested on the 55th anniversary of the first concert/riot. To think that people were having that same sickly crowd violence and fear feeling over half a century before. Weird.
But the Hough Riots don't appear to be particularly Red Scare-y. In fact, reading over the Wikipedia page, they appear to have been, indeed, about "Whitey be mean to Blacks."
The Red Scare angle seems to have been provided when the National Guard apprehended four members of the W.E.B. DuBois Club (CP youth organization at the time) doing what we commie rabble-rousers do best: handing out leaflets.
Has any evidence surfaced on the cop being injured? Pro-choice sources say he had anything from a black eye to a missing eye to a cracked orbital brim the fight that broke out in or near the car.Some sources seem to say that the officer suffered an "orbital blowout."
also, regarding a bystander caught on cell phone video....
Supporters of Wilson, however, point to a videotape taken by a Ferguson resident showing Brown's body lying in the street. In the background of the video a man's voice can be heard saying, "Police got out and ran after him. The next thing I know he's coming back towards the officer. The police had his gun drawn on him."
That would conflict with witnesses who said Brown was standing still with his hands raised when Wilson shot him.
"We did our research: In 129 years since police and fire commissions were created in the state of Wisconsin, we could not find a single ruling by a police department, an inquest or a police commission that a shooting was unjustified. There was one shooting we found, in 2005, that was ruled justified by the department and an inquest, but additional evidence provided by citizens caused the DA to charge the officer. The city of Milwaukee settled with a confidentiality agreement and the facts of that sealed. The officer involved committed suicide."
Here's what you fail to understand:
Given equal circumstances, a black person is more likely to get pulled over than a white person. true, many police do profile
Having been pulled over, a black person is more likely to be searched than a white person. Not entirely true. It is the angry or belligerent driver who is FAR more likely to get searched. The cooperative and nice driver is far less likely to get searched. So unless blacks fall into the former category there shouldn't be more.
Having been searched (and found to be in possession of something illegal), a black person is more likely to be arrested than a white person. False. Once police get this far AND they found something, then you are going to prison, black or white.
Having been arrested, a black person is more likely to be convicted than a white person. Misleading lie. A POOR person is far more likely to get convicted than a rich one. If for no better reason than they can't afford high priced attorneys.
Having been convicted, a black person is more likely to receive a longer sentence than a white person. Same as above being poor is the determiner here. The system assumes a poor person will repeat offend so they issue harsher sentencing.
It's hard not to admit racial profiling... My boyfriend in high school was black, he got pulled over just for being black; I was there for one of the stops. Although the cop let him go with a smile and a warning when he realized he was a football player.
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Two articles that risk trying the patience of Comrade Freehold:
N. TX demonstrators protest police shootings
"Earlier Wednesday, other demonstrators held an open carry gun march through South Dallas to protest against police shootings.
"Organizers there said the show of force served as a reminder of the right to bear arms to protect themselves from criminals and from police.
"About 30 men and women with the Huey P. Newton Gun Club rallied through the streets, focusing on deadly police shootings from the Ferguson, MO shooting death of teen Michael Brown to shootings by local police.
"Some carried long guns, rifles, shotguns and AR-15s, while others carried signs others and wore messages.
"'I think it's a good thing,' said Reginald Cofer with Mothers Against Teen Violence.
"'They are trying to protect the community,' said Jacey Cofer with Mothers Against Teen Violence. 'At the city hall meeting the other day, we got no answers. It's been a bunch of murders, the cops are not being accountable for it, and we want answers.'
"The marchers entered a south Dallas restaurant with their weapons, where Dallas police officers inside were finishing eating lunch."
[Clenched fist salute]
And in the complete other direction, Iceland grieves after police kill a man for the first time in its history
I didn't realize that Iceland didn't become independent (from who? Denmark? Norway?) until 1944.
Learn something new every day in the OTD!
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It's hard not to admit racial profiling... My boyfriend in high school was black, he got pulled over just for being black; I was there for one of the stops. Although the cop let him go with a smile and a warning when he realized he was a football player.Also, is it possible that it's hard not to admit racial profiling because you've seen it personally, but you can still ignore racism in the later stages of the process because you haven't seen it personally?
Plenty of people deny the racial profiling as well.
It's not a real problem until it affects you personally.
Because most (not all) racism has vanished... they still discriminate against the poor and probably always will. Profiling happens because there are certain things police think are good indicators of criminal behavior like dressing in a gangsta fashion or covering yourself in tattoos and driving a fancy car while looking like that is something I am sure they train officers to look for. While the man in a pricey car but wearing an expensive suit often gets a pass because he has the money to fight back legally even if he is speeding. They also don't hesitate to pull over all poor people if they are breaking the law because it's easy money since they probably can't or won't fight back legally. Kids are often unfairly targeted to for a similar reason. I lived near a school for years and the cops would set up at the end of that street and ticket all the kids as they sped past. Kids don't fight back legally either.
Two articles that risk trying the patience of Comrade Freehold:
N. TX demonstrators protest police shootings
"Earlier Wednesday, other demonstrators held an open carry gun march through South Dallas to protest against police shootings.
"Organizers there said the show of force served as a reminder of the right to bear arms to protect themselves from criminals and from police.
"About 30 men and women with the Huey P. Newton Gun Club rallied through the streets, focusing on deadly police shootings from the Ferguson, MO shooting death of teen Michael Brown to shootings by local police.
"Some carried long guns, rifles, shotguns and AR-15s, while others carried signs others and wore messages.
"'I think it's a good thing,' said Reginald Cofer with Mothers Against Teen Violence.
"'They are trying to protect the community,' said Jacey Cofer with Mothers Against Teen Violence. 'At the city hall meeting the other day, we got no answers. It's been a bunch of murders, the cops are not being accountable for it, and we want answers.'
"The marchers entered a south Dallas restaurant with their weapons, where Dallas police officers inside were finishing eating lunch."
[Clenched fist salute]
And in the complete other direction, Iceland grieves after police kill a man for the first time in its history
I didn't realize that Iceland didn't become independent (from who? Denmark? Norway?) until 1944.
Learn something new every day in the OTD!
why would this try my patience? I'm a huge supporter of open carry, and I don't think it should be limited to firearms.
why would this try my patience? I'm a huge supporter of open carry, and I don't think it should be limited to firearms.
Because they're about Texas and Iceland, respectively, not Missouri (although the former is, actually--I was just ribbing you about trying to keep me on-topic).
Goblins have short attention spans!
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Yeah, if the people I've known who were cops were allowed to be cops, it has to be open to anyone with apposable thumbs.
DISCRIMINATION!
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Dude, if hoodlums want to adopt a fashion style that makes it impossible to run from the police without one hand on their belt, why are you against it?
Interesting enough, EVEN with the makeup considering the poorer and underpriviliged populations, African-Americans DO make up a greater amount of the crime percentage wise in relation to their percentage of the population.
Asians actually ARE less percentage wise in relation to their percentage of the population IN THE US, especially when looking at those from the Far East.
African-Americans seem to riot a LOT more than any of the other minorities also.
The reason many officers profile are DUE to these types of numbers popping up.
They have studies, science, and other things to back them up. They use these studies and science sometimes when people complain against their profiling.
They USE profiling a LOT however.
That does not mean it's right, or correct to do so.
I am unsure WHY these stats are like this. When you take a comparable neighborhood that is composed of poor underpriviliged Americans from European descent, you tend to get less crime overall than in African American neighborhoods of the same make-up.
Why?
I have NO idea.
Do Police use these as an excuse.
Absolutely.
Trying to pretend that these stats don't exist, and/or police don't use these for profiling, or that the studies the police use to back up their reasons to profiling...is absurd.
The question shouldn't be whether our social graces are offended by the science or not, but rather, why these studies show these numbers, and how these numbers could be changed.
Why are the numbers different in downtown Washington DC or Chicago as opposed to downtown Salt Lake City? What is the difference between the poor neighborhoods and what the violent crime that is composed within?
Maybe it IS the amount of education of the police officers. Maybe in some places officers aggravate crime more than others? (once again, I don't know, I have no idea why the differences are). Aranna brings up a good point in some ways. To get a law degree you are looking at at least 6-8 years of education...but to enforce the same laws that the lawyer learns to use in court...you need less than 6 months of education.
Different states have different requirements...but it does seem like a vast gulf of differences between those who practice law, and those who enforce it.
Overall, it would be a wonderful world where we were all colorblind and did not have to worry about police profiling based on race, religion, orientation or any other discriminatory practice.
I remember being pulled over for running a stop sign. My spouse looks (though is not) MUCH younger than me. I was not belligerant, and cooperated. They decided to search my car, took my spouse aside and asked them if they had been kidnapped.
Profiling...probably. Was there any other reason for what they did...not really.
Ignoring why it happened won't help prevent it again, but figuring out why they think this type of profiling helps and changing it...could.
Something else to consider, Asians are the MOST discriminated race in the US. People assume because they have a better socio-economic status in general, that their is no reason to include the benefits other Races get. Because of that, Asians have a harder time getting into colleges (overall, the GPA is better for an Asian to get into the same college than any other race, and has to be), are actually legally discriminated against in jobs and other areas (don't have to be included for minority status in some states even, and are given lower priority), and have some laws that actually are on the books that forbid them from certain rights (even recently, I think it was just overturned in the South, and in California, laws were on the books to try to make it harder or prevent them from owning land). Asians may tend to be able to get into higher wage jobs in the US, but advancement in those workplaces tend to be against them, and every other race has a higher percentage of advancement AFTER being able to get the job, than Asians.
Because people have a stereotype that Asians are so successful, an opposite type of profiling works against them.
Which is ironic...because in both the African American and the Asian society in the US we can see the profiling, not just by police, by by society at large. It seems they are on the opposite ends of the spectrum, but in many ways, both are hindered and hampered by that same type of profiling.
I think profiling is wrong, and it's bad overall. The effects don't bring about the results we want (and it's possible that's what happened in the Fergie situation to start this entire thing). However, pretending it doesn't exist I think will only make the matter worse in the end. Figuring out how to change why the profiling is used is a better option.
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One thing to remember is that it is impossible to prove a negative. If someone says, "The cop shot the kid because the cop was racist." It is literally impossible to prove that is not the case. You can present evidence that support non-racist reasons for the outcome, but for someone who has already decided that it is racist, there is no evidence you can show them it is not. That is why in most logical arguments, is the responsibility of the one making the affirmative argument to present proof.
I don't like my children asking why that man has his entire butt sticking out showing off his underwear and not getting in trouble.Dude, if hoodlums want to adopt a fashion style that makes it impossible to run from the police without one hand on their belt, why are you against it?
Because he's an adult, and adults are legally allowed to be idiots without other people getting to tell them what to do. You don't get to decide whats right for them to think, wear,say or dress just because you're you.