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Does any divination penetrate Mind Blank?
Just curious, as it seems like this works against everything in the book(s).
Nope.
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Any sane GM would require it to be a constant item. 1/day item casting a spell that last 24 hours are essentially slot less items as you can wear them for 1 round, cast the spell and then remove them.
And that will give us a cost of: 2000*15*8/2 (spell with a 24 hours duration) = 120.000
Exactly the price seebs cited.
About the discount, it is a reduction of the price t which you can sell the item, not a reduction in the crafting cost.
So more than likely, the price will be as if the light/esplend worked for everyone despite the fact it doesn't.Correct.
When building an item, you calculate the cost to create it as if it were in the hands of an optimal user. Otherwise it's basically cheating. Observe:
Ezren makes a headband of vast intelligence +6. Cost to create: 18,000 gp
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Ezren makes a headband of vast intelligence +6, but it only works for male humans (discount!) named Ezren (discount!) who are at least "old" age (discount) and were born in Absalom (discount!). Cost to create: ridiculously cheap, even though it works exactly like a standard headband +6.
For the OP's question:
Eagle’s splendor 2*3*1800/5 = 2160
Burning hands SL1 x CL3 x 1800/5 = 1080
Using the "multiple different abilities" guideline, we multiply the cost of the burning hands ability by 1.5 to get 1620
2160 + 1620 = 3,780Glowing with light at will is pretty insignificant--it's not as good as being able to cast light at will (because only the orb lights, rather than being able to cast it on a coin you can throw, an ally's weapon, etc.), so I didn't use the standard SL .5 x CL 3 x 1800 for an on-command unlimited cantrip. Furthermore, the caster level of an unlimited-use light cantrip has a negligible effect (the effect on the duration is irrelevant because it's an at-will ability, and the increased resistance to a dispelling attempt is essentially irrelevant). Plus, the option to light at will is something you get for free in magic weapons, so throwing it in here at something than the formulaic cost is fair. As the mathematical price of the item so far is a non-simple number, I rounded the price up to 3,900 gp (1) to take into account the cost of the light ability, and (2) to make the final gp price nicer.
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Seeing that post and a few others, it would be a good idea to remove the line about the discount in the next printing of the CRB.
Or replace it with something like "The GM can adjust the final price or production cost if the item has restrictions to its use.", leaving the decision in the hand of the GM.
Most new GM fail to realize that the magic item crafting guidelines are guidelines.
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Just because you can't penetrate doesn't mean you can't circumvent it.
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Did you leave on a horse? Did someone see it? Then I'll scry your horse instead of you.
Could I cast 'discern location' on you if it wasn't for the mind blank? Then I would like to cast 'discern location' and learn the location of the last hair that fell from your head... How often do you think you shed hair?
To find a creature with the spell, you must have seen the creature or have some item that once belonged to it. To find an object, you must have touched it at least once.
If you did not see the horse personally, then you would not be able to Discern Location it. Likewise, to discern location the "last hair that fell from your head", you would have needed to touch it before.
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Just because you can't penetrate doesn't mean you can't circumvent it.
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Did you leave on a horse? Did someone see it? Then I'll scry your horse instead of you.
And you will see the horse but not the rider, if the rider is on the horse at all.
Could I cast 'discern location' on you if it wasn't for the mind blank? Then I would like to cast 'discern location' and learn the location of the last hair that fell from your head... How often do you think you shed hair?
The last hair that fell from my head. You mean the one on my shoulder? It is of my body, you can't detect it. And, as Scavion pointed out, you need to have touched the specific hair for which you are searching while it was an object.
The "last hair that fell from your head" is a non target.
Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible.
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Just because you can't penetrate doesn't mean you can't circumvent it.
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Did you leave on a horse? Did someone see it? Then I'll scry your horse instead of you.
Could I cast 'discern location' on you if it wasn't for the mind blank? Then I would like to cast 'discern location' and learn the location of the last hair that fell from your head... How often do you think you shed hair?
Standard knowledge skills and a little bit of leg work will allow anyone to track or uncover information about an individual using Mind Blank.
Mundane skills may take longer, but they always work.
In combat, Mind Blank + Greater Invisibility is beaten by Glitterdust and hampered by bags of flour. Beware of trying this trick on a fighter with Blind Fighting and a smokestick.
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Does any divination penetrate Mind Blank?
** spoiler omitted **Just curious, as it seems like this works against everything in the book(s).
Divination won't penetrate it (as others have said), but Scent will get you every time. A lot of monsters at those levels have that in their stat blocks.
IMO, layer your defenses with Cloak of Dreams, Invisibility, and Mind Blank.
The Touchsight spell (alchemist 4, bard 4, druid 4, sorcerer/wizard 5; Ultimate Magic, transmutation [sonic]) may be another good way for detecting an invisible, mind-blanked person (in the flesh, not via scrying though).
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I did not see anything mentioning that was only targetted spells in the ring description. Only that the spell is cast upon the wearer, usually if it does not work on an area it is called out. Though admittedly the ring of counterspell is an older pre-Paizo item.
There was a FAQ about it.
You could dispell it first
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Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible.
But it does defeat see invisibility if you're invisible from something else.
Honestly, unless you're incapable of casting it, it should be a daily cast spell for the paranoid archmage.
Dispelling Mind Blank is harder then it seems though since..
1.) You have to find the target to hit him, or hit the area.
2.) If he can cast mind blank, he's a pretty tough caster on his own.
Just playing devils advocate, but 1/d for a 24 hour item and a continuous item are not the same.
once per day can be dispelled. Continuous reactivates shortly thereafter if dispelled. The latter is superior.
If psionics are allowed:
Does any divination penetrate Mind Blank?
** spoiler omitted **Just curious, as it seems like this works against everything in the book(s).
Divination won't penetrate it (as others have said), but Scent will get you every time. A lot of monsters at those levels have that in their stat blocks.
IMO, layer your defenses with Cloak of Dreams, Invisibility, and Mind Blank.
Scent won't do much other than tell you what square they're in and you have to be lucky enough to get right next to them to pinpoint even that. You still have full concealment from Invisibility and thus can't be targeted by anything but area effects and attacks that specifically target your square.
When a creature detects a scent, the exact location of the source is not revealed—only its presence somewhere within range. The creature can take a move action to note the direction of the scent. When the creature is within 5 feet of the source, it pinpoints the source’s location.
And it's limited to 30 ft.
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Does any divination penetrate Mind Blank?
** spoiler omitted **Just curious, as it seems like this works against everything in the book(s).
Divination won't penetrate it (as others have said), but Scent will get you every time. A lot of monsters at those levels have that in their stat blocks.
IMO, layer your defenses with Cloak of Dreams, Invisibility, and Mind Blank.Scent won't do much other than tell you what square they're in and you have to be lucky enough to get right next to them to pinpoint even that. You still have full concealment from Invisibility and thus can't be targeted by anything but area effects and attacks that specifically target your square.
When a creature detects a scent, the exact location of the source is not revealed—only its presence somewhere within range. The creature can take a move action to note the direction of the scent. When the creature is within 5 feet of the source, it pinpoints the source’s location.And it's limited to 30 ft.
The reason I recommended a bag of flour.
But seriously, it is very, very difficult to fight anything with Mind Blank and Greater Invisibility.
Kindly note that the 3.5 price is a little higher then it should be for Pathfinder.
The 3.5 version gives you immunity to Mind Affecting spells of all types (so, shutting down almost all of Enchantment/Charm and a chunk of Illusion).
Pathfinder, it gives you +8 resistance (in effect, a +3 bonus at the level you get the spell).
Immunity to divinations stays the same.
==Aelryinth
Kindly note that the 3.5 price is a little higher then it should be for Pathfinder.
The 3.5 version gives you immunity to Mind Affecting spells of all types (so, shutting down almost all of Enchantment/Charm and a chunk of Illusion).
Pathfinder, it gives you +8 resistance (in effect, a +3 bonus at the level you get the spell).
Immunity to divinations stays the same.
==Aelryinth
And so, while 3.5 version made you immune to buff spells cast by your friends or you, Pf version allows you to get buffed as much as you want : Mind Blank + Greater Heroism roxx !!
Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible.But it does prevent you from being seen through scrying sensors, even if someone is successfully observing someplace you are.
In the case of scrying that scans an area the creature is in, such as arcane eye, the spell works but the creature simply isn't detected. Scrying attempts that are targeted specifically at the subject do not work at all.[/url]
So even if you do successfully scry the horse, you just see the horse. You don't see anyone on the horse. You have no idea which mind blanked person, if any, is on the horse.
Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible.But it does defeat see invisibility if you're invisible from something else.
Honestly, unless you're incapable of casting it, it should be a daily cast spell for the paranoid archmage.
Dispelling Mind Blank is harder then it seems though since..
1.) You have to find the target to hit him, or hit the area.
2.) If he can cast mind blank, he's a pretty tough caster on his own.
Yes, you're both right. And I still stand by the statement that Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible. I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who think that it does. Mind Blank does not hide you from a person standing right next to you unless you also have Invisibility on you.
Unless you're naturally invisible, invisibility purge will cut through your greater invis even when you're protected by mind blank. That still won't help when using other divination to see, but all the talk of avoiding everything but Lifesense should keep that in mind.
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I heard an argument for greater spell immunity working against it RAW in a gaming shop but I had someplace to be.
The warded creature effectively has unbeatable spell resistance regarding the specified spell or spells. Naturally, that immunity doesn't protect a creature from spells for which spell resistance doesn't apply.
Target one creature
Saving Throw Will negates (harmless) Spell Resistance yes (harmless)
The subject is protected from all devices and spells that gather information about the target through divination magic (such as detect evil, locate creature, scry, and see invisible).
The terms “object” and “harmless” mean the same thing for spell resistance as they do for saving throws. A creature with spell resistance must voluntarily lower the resistance (a standard action) in order to be affected by such spells without forcing the caster to make a caster level check.
From all the above: the target of mind blank, i.e. the one that benefit from it, can make a SR check to resist the spell [and a ST] (maybe he is a prisoner and the caster want to hide him from searchers), but the one that is using divinations to find the one protected don't get to roll SR, so spell immunity do nothing for him.
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Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible.But it does prevent you from being seen through scrying sensors, even if someone is successfully observing someplace you are.
In the case of scrying that scans an area the creature is in, such as arcane eye, the spell works but the creature simply isn't detected. Scrying attempts that are targeted specifically at the subject do not work at all.[/url]
So even if you do successfully scry the horse, you just see the horse. You don't see anyone on the horse. You have no idea which mind blanked person, if any, is on the horse.
Yes, you're both right. And I still stand by the statement that Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible. I think you'd be surprised at the number of people who think that it does. Mind Blank does not hide you from a person standing right next to you unless you also have Invisibility on you.
Mind Blank doesn't make you invisible.But it does defeat see invisibility if you're invisible from something else.
Honestly, unless you're incapable of casting it, it should be a daily cast spell for the paranoid archmage.
Dispelling Mind Blank is harder then it seems though since..
1.) You have to find the target to hit him, or hit the area.
2.) If he can cast mind blank, he's a pretty tough caster on his own.
If that was the reason for your comment, you should have read my whole post, included the comment to which I was replying:
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Just because you can't penetrate doesn't mean you can't circumvent it.
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Did you leave on a horse? Did someone see it? Then I'll scry your horse instead of you.And you will see the horse but not the rider, if the rider is on the horse at all.
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I won't bother scrying the horse.
I will:
- Ask the locals if they have seen you, and where you have gone. KN: local/Diplomacy
- Identify your companions/cohorts/minions. Knowledge skills/diplomacy
- Track your footprints, or those of your horse. Survival
- Once close, reconnaissance. Stealth, summoned creatures, etc.
- Prep tactics using knowledge gained through observation
It takes longer than scrying, but cannot be blocked.
If psionics are allowed:
30ft radius. So you have to know the creature has one of those effects up before using it or waste the power points. If you have true sight and can't see them, then yeah, use it. Otherwise it's a pretty big risk.
If that was the reason for your comment, you should have read my whole post, included the comment to which I was replying:
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Just because you can't penetrate doesn't mean you can't circumvent it.
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Did you leave on a horse? Did someone see it? Then I'll scry your horse instead of you.And you will see the horse but not the rider, if the rider is on the horse at all.
The reason for my comment was to point out that Mind Blank does not, never has, and never will make you invisible. If you're reading more into it than that, I don't know what to say.
Frankly, it seems that using diplomacy to find the blank of mind seems more effective. I'd find them IRL and bug them. The best counter to magic is after all magical technology.
The reason for my comment was to point out that Mind Blank does not, never has, and never will make you invisible. If you're reading more into it than that, I don't know what to say.If that was the reason for your comment, you should have read my whole post, included the comment to which I was replying:
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Just because you can't penetrate doesn't mean you can't circumvent it.
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Did you leave on a horse? Did someone see it? Then I'll scry your horse instead of you.And you will see the horse but not the rider, if the rider is on the horse at all.
Well, one thing you might say is "given the context, that does make sense."
Because the sequence of posts is:
1. Someone says that they will scry a horse.
2. Someone else says you will see the horse, but not the mind-blanked person.
3. You say that mind blank does not make you invisible.It is actually entirely reasonable for someone to assume that, when you posted immediately after an assertion that a mind-blanked person wouldn't be seen, and asserted that mind blank doesn't make people invisible, that you were responding to them.
No one had, at that point in the thread, said anything that would imply that mind blank makes you invisible.
Maybe not, but from reading your bulletin 2, It was clearly strongly implied. which is equally meaningful as literally having said so.
That would be why people responded with pointing out that mind blank makes you unseen in scrying sensors. And that would all make sense and be ordinary conversation, except now we have the assertion that this in no way contradicts the intended point of the claim that it doesn't make you invisible. Which implies that it wasn't a response to the inference that someone thought it did.
whether it was a response or not seems to matter little in that regard. letting the implication stand would allow for it to be inferred as true. So it is good it came to question. how that was handled was perhaps not the most ideal. given the amount of conversation it has led to.