My Enchanter just picked up the Unnatural Lust spell.
Now as I see it, this spell is a great anti-spellcaster spell as if you cast it on person A and have them lusting after spellcaster B then B is going to have some difficulty concentrating on spellcasting what with the impromptu makeout session A is inflicting on them.
However, the spell doesn't specifically state if B is in any way hindered by A's advances. I'm assuming so, but I figured I should ask the fine folks of the interwebs if I am correct or simply making myself look stupid.
Well, stupider than usual, anyway.
It's very much a GM judgement call sort of thing. Usually as a player I just use it to send someone into a minefield of AOOs, and as a GM tend to rule they come to their senses just as they finish trying to close the distance, but particularly if A and B are pretty much right next to eachother, there's totally something to be said for throwing in a grapple check.
Cool. So, what other tricks should I try with this spell? I imagine the pranking potential is pretty impressive...
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Cool. So, what other tricks should I try with this spell? I imagine the pranking potential is pretty impressive...
I'd really recommend handling it with care, because it also has high potential for upsetting folks.
It's honestly one of the creepier spells out there.
A court meeting, you don't like a noble and have him suddenly lust after the king's wife/daughter. Cue him doing lecherous stuff and...no more noble.
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I'd really recommend handling it with care, because it also has high potential for upsetting folks.
It's honestly one of the creepier spells out there.
This would be the main reason why I cut it off just as they reach their target generally (well, that and it's a plenty decent spell already).
It's also why I'm rather alarmed that this item exists.
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I'd really recommend handling it with care, because it also has high potential for upsetting folks.
It's honestly one of the creepier spells out there.
This would be the main reason why I cut it off just as they reach their target generally (well, that and it's a plenty decent spell already).
It's also why I'm rather alarmed that this item exists.
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That's not a headband of seduction, that's a headband of roofies! D:
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A court meeting, you don't like a noble and have him suddenly lust after the king's wife/daughter. Cue him doing lecherous stuff and...no more noble.
Except that his behavior is so inappropriate and out of place that it's likely to cause the people at the meeting to immediately suspect that magic was used on him. Thus, the ensuing investigation and possibly, no more spellcaster...
Really, you need to more subtle when using magic to manipulate people in a political setting.
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A court meeting, you don't like a noble and have him suddenly lust after the king's wife/daughter. Cue him doing lecherous stuff and...no more noble.
Except that his behavior is so inappropriate and out of place that it's likely to cause the people at the meeting to immediately suspect that magic was used on him. Thus, the ensuing investigation and possibly, no more spellcaster...
Really, you need to more subtle when using magic to manipulate people in a political setting.
Agreed. This is why you frame another spellcaster for it.
But...i never said you'd actually have to be present. Hide yourself.....
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Hmmm... Slip someone a potion of unnatural lust, maybe?
Play a bard with a reach weapon, cast it on an enemy and designate you. Bonus points if the target is good looking and of the opposite sex. (Or at least the sex your pc is after)
Now the opponent will not only come to you to receive an AoO and kiss you for it. he/she will also use one turn to get undressed enough to use your toy/the condom.
Hmmm... Slip someone a potion of unnatural lust, maybe?
Sir fueldrop, you have just given me a fun idea for times to come.
Suddenly finding it too easy to imagine my Lymnieran prostitute-paladin actively hunting these items down to destroy them. They'd be a blasphemy to him. Hell, they're a blasphemy to me.
Though a male prostitute with that item could easily pull off the most darkly hilarious variant of the squeegee man scam in human memory.
And honestly, the biggest unspoken suspension of disbelief is that in a world with magical abilities the whole thing isn't just a wall-to-wall perverted creepshow. If a 15th level wizard can literally turn women into objects, him being a frat douche would be the best case scenario.
Keep an eye out for Reckless Infatuation too if you like this spell. There was nothing quite like telling my GM his bbeg couldn't teleport away because he was still unnaturally fixated on our parties barbarian currently mulching his army.
Even better because this was a High Girralion or whatever those albino four armed monkeys are...
The duration of that spell is 1 round. Not much happening there and this is also why it´s one of the not so good spells. mainly good for letting a target eat a lot of AoO´s or some roleplay fun.
The headband of seduction doesn´t state a DC or spell/caster level, so the DC is probably 15........not a good DC for a 40.000gp item^^
My group used it on several occasions (an ogre against a stone pillar; yetis between each other).
Though the 1 round duration gives it little use in combat compared to alternatives, it can be quite efficient for causing memorable social faux pas.
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For fun, also put Unadulterated Loathing on the Lusting creature's target. Instant Benny Hill!
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PFS story....I cast Unnatural Lust on a Mook in the fight - sending him after the Druids Big Cat companion... He scrambles over it and hugs said kitty, and so I then slumber hexed him...
so, this means that later, when he wakes up, he remembers having unnaturally lustful thoughts (and actions), before he blacked out. Only to come to some time later (and we searched him while he as asleep), with his clothing in dis-array, with a happy lion sitting next to him purring.
Yah... what happens in Almas, stays in Almas...
Okay, so what uses does this spell have in combat other than drawing AoO's and getting one foe to grapple another for one round?
How about out of combat? Best uses people have come up with?
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Okay, so what uses does this spell have in combat other than drawing AoO's and getting one foe to grapple another for one round?
How about out of combat? Best uses people have come up with?
If you use it on a court enemy to have them try to fondle the ruler when approaching them out of turn means death, it's an assassination tool. Especially if you are a court bard and disguising the spellcasting in a performance.
It is also an easy way to lead enemies into traps. Stand with a trap between you and them, cast the spell on them, designate yourself. Wait.
And for annoying NPCs, casting it on them and designating the otyugh at the end of the heavily trapped hallway also works...
Also: Cast spell on the Tarrasque. Designate the BBEG. Stand back and watch the carnage.
Well, you see...A takes his...and he grabs B by the...and then he...
...and there you have it. Joined.
My Enchanter just picked up the Unnatural Lust spell.
Now as I see it, this spell is a great anti-spellcaster spell as if you cast it on person A and have them lusting after spellcaster B then B is going to have some difficulty concentrating on spellcasting what with the impromptu makeout session A is inflicting on them.
I would err on the side of the spell not doing anything more than the description says it does, bearing in mind that the spell is quite creepy enough. I would like to think that a spellcaster (or anyone else, for that matter) would be able to fend the person off and still cast their spell or do whatever it is they're doing without hindrance, since unnatural lust mainly redirects its target and prevents that person from taking any useful actions for one round. I wouldn't think it otherwise lasts the whole round through; maybe A grabs spellcaster B's hand and tries to kiss it, or tries to grab a hug, but instantly figures out something's gone horribly wrong when, at best, B shakes A off with an explosive, "What the hell?" It's just that the spell tries to be more descriptive than "Target moves to designated point in range and ends turn."
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"Ogre courtship" is rape.
Pathfinder Ogres are well known as rapist, and are not picky on size, species, and gender. Even acts of necrophilia are not terribly uncommon.
They are surprising virile, and this results in spawn of the hideous forced unions between ogres and whatever humanoids they can overpower, known as Ogrekin.
They worship Haggakal, the god of inbreeding, and rape.
I... Am honestly surprised with people having a major 'squick' factor with the Unnatural Lust spell....
Charm Person = "Hey Baby, wanna have some fun" auto success!
Dominate Person = "You are now my personal slave, get over here!"
Don't even get me started on something like Grease (Target: 12 inch oblong object)....
Polymorph Any Object? "Why she's pretty.... Oh look, now she's a doll"
... Seriously, there are a lot more spells people should be 'squicky' about than something that makes someone want to run over and hug/fondle someone.
Edit: Lust =/= Sexual Desire. Not always. Ever hear of someone lusting after a good piece of pie, or that hot new Final Fantasy game? Yeah... Just goes to show how much the media has made modern society's thought processes (and vocabulary) all about sex.
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For fun, also put Unadulterated Loathing on the Lusting creature's target. Instant Benny Hill!
I want that spell just because of the Wicked song.
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I... Am honestly surprised with people having a major 'squick' factor with the Unnatural Lust spell....
Charm Person = "Hey Baby, wanna have some fun" auto success!
Dominate Person = "You are now my personal slave, get over here!"
Don't even get me started on something like Grease (Target: 12 inch oblong object)....
Polymorph Any Object? "Why she's pretty.... Oh look, now she's a doll"
... Seriously, there are a lot more spells people should be 'squicky' about than something that makes someone want to run over and hug/fondle someone.
Edit: Lust =/= Sexual Desire. Not always. Ever hear of someone lusting after a good piece of pie, or that hot new Final Fantasy game? Yeah... Just goes to show how much the media has made modern society's thought processes (and vocabulary) all about sex.
lust
ləst/Submitnoun
1.
very strong sexual desire.
Sure, it's not always sexual, but that's like saying describing someone as a body doesn't always mean they're dead. It's the default assumption and you know that good and well.
All those spells ARE considered squicky... when the threads are about them. This one isn't. Were you expecting people to yell, "THIS SPELL IS MORE DISGUSTING THAN YOURS" and derail the thread? Does the fact that there are more disgusting spells mean we're not allowed to be disgusted by this one spell?
Sure I know it, still had to present it since it hadn't been stated up thread (unless I missed it).
No, and no. Merely stating I'm surprised that people appear to be MORE disgusted by this particular spell than ones that could have fare more dire consequences.
And maybe I'm just a cynical bastard, but I'm not all that disgusted with this spell, or any other spells. I'm more disgusted with the people who use the tools for such ends, than the tools themselves. A roofie (roofies knock people out, remember) is a wonderful way to deal with an angry drunk, make them sleep it of before it becomes a problem, for example. Though a tranquilizer dart will do the same thing (and also the same thing as a roofy). And Magic is simply a tool.
That said, I draw people to the text itself.
The target is filled with the compulsion to rush to the subject of its lust and passionately kiss or caress that subject on its next turn, taking no other actions.
The spell should definitely be renamed "Powerful Attraction" or something, because "lust" just incites all sorts of wrong imagery. So, sorry guys. No Ogre rape for you.
Thus, why this one doesn't even register within a mile of my Squick-o-meter.
Fair enough, although the fact that the Headband of Seduction uses minutes-duration version probably doesn't help its cause. Personally, I'm inclined to agree with you that it's just a tool, but if this spell is, then so are the others you named.
EDIT: NINJA'D! Carry on. :)
Edit: Lust =/= Sexual Desire. Not always. Ever hear of someone lusting after a good piece of pie, or that hot new Final Fantasy game? Yeah... Just goes to show how much the media has made modern society's thought processes (and vocabulary) all about sex.
Actually... Lust comes from the name of the sinful form of sexual desire. It's literally what "Lust" is.
Note: this is not saying all sexual desire us sinful; further the denotation of Lust is no longer Sinful Sexual Desire, culturally, but it's origins were the original word for all sinful sexual desire.
All other uses of Lust stem directly from that initial meaning. The reason people say, "I lust after <X>" is to indicate (sinful?*) "sexual" desire for <x>, whatever that is: in other words, it's using hyperbole.
Note that there are other words for "desire" than "lust" (including, you know, "desire"), but Lust's specific denotative meaning is still sexual; it's hyperbolic connotative use to say "I like this a lot" notwithstanding.
Also, all the other spells are well-known a quick factors when used in the manner you suggest, and generally (though not universally) considered Evil to do (in other words, making the act rape).
The thing with those spells, though, is that they don't have the denotation of being related to sexual desire anymore. Lust, despite your assertion (made due to your own exposure to use) still does.
While society does warp views of sex - a lot - in this case, it's not society twisting a word toward sexual meanings that aren't there, but people merely recognizing the sexual meaning of the actual word.
* Even if "sin" isn't a factor, such as when the individual using the term has no belief in objective morality v. objective sin, there's still the element of "taboo" or "wrongness" about the use: the person clearly doesn't harbor actual sexual desire, but by utilizing the hyperbolic "wrong" (on several levels) implication, it displays a strong emotion while aiming for mild humor.
Mind you, if the target of the spell does normally not have lustful feelings towards [insert subject of lust], it gets a +4 to it's will save.
No, and no. Merely stating I'm surprised that people appear to be MORE disgusted by this particular spell than ones that could have fare more dire consequences.
The difference is in the focus. Just like people think worse of thumbscrews than axes, despite axes being far more dangerous.
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Honestly, considering the 1-round duration there's a limit to how much you could abuse the spell when compared to the lower level and longer duration charm person, or hypnotism (allowing you to implant the suggestion "Let's have sex!" in 2d4 hd of women/men/whatever takes your fancy without them even remembering you casting the spell afterwards). Hell, sleep is one heck of a tool for a rapist. The entire enchantment school can be abused by perverted casters with even an ounce of imagination. Unnatural lust is more direct, but its low duration makes it a lot less viable to abuse than many other spells in that school.
I believe that's what you call 'Irony'.