So far what we know is that Wells was experimenting on Grodd for the military. Wells then decided that their treatment of him was inhuman and pulled the plug on the project much to the resentment of the General. He was keeping Grodd at the reactor when it when Boom.
So Normal Gorilla, experimented on and then ground zero for radiation wave.
No Gorilla City or Alien tech. Grodd is one of a kind
From what we saw he seems to be in the early stages of his intellect, learning to write his name and such. How fast and how far he goes from there who knows. Early Grodd in the TV show might not be so bright but he could learn quickly, becoming smarter with more powerful abilities with later appearances
And I believe in the episode with the flashback about Wells working with the military, there was something about the research being about unlocking psychic potential, so telepathy and mind control could still be part of Grodd's repertoire, once he's finished developing. Looks like his powers are taking more time to mature than the humans affected by the blast.
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Good points Lemmy.
And I confess that I agree with your logic.In my comic collection from the 70's (Which is where I started collecting at) :) I do recall there being a lot of inconsistency regarding the Flash's (and Superman's as well) Super Speed powers. For the first encounter in the issue the villain would completely catch the Flash off guard, despite the fact that he was a primary 'Flash's Rogue Gallery' Villain and they had fought many times before. Then the Flash would come back and beat him with ease. Even as a kid I remember asking, 'Why didn't he do that the first time?' :P
I don't pretend it ever made any SENSE, it just made for a fun read. :)
Then again, I never really had any issue with accepting that Comic book reality was different from Real-reality. When they started trying to make the two merge, THAT is when they started having to come up with all these explanations for things that we as kids had simply accepted as Comic-fact for years. :)
(Eg-When Wally took over as Flash, they suddenly felt that they had to explain why the Flash didn't simply shred himself to ribbons on the dust in the air when he ran at super speed. They came up with a 'Friction Shield' or some such that he generated when he ran.)Anyway, long-winded way of basically agreeing with you. :)
Haha... No problem. Sorry for the somewhat long-winded rant... Like I said, those combat scenes really frustrate me (but not because of Flash being unrealistic, I'll explain soon).
Just trying to say that while I understand why the disjointed 'Super-speed realisims' may bother some folks, it in no way has detracted from my enjoyment of the show.
Carry on! :D
You know... I really don't mind comic books being unrealistic (If I did, I most likely wouldn't read comics at all!). It's a super-hero story after all... Impossible stuff happening is part of the fun and IMHO, fun is far more important than realism (in fact, I wish hgh-level martial characters in Pathfinder could do some of the stuff that super-heroes do).
What bothers me is inconsistency in the rules the story created for itself and characters acting like idiots because the writers can't think of any other way to challenge them.
The former annoys me because if there is no consistency, then it feels like there is no risk, because one way or another, the writer will just pull a Deus Ex Machina and save the hero, instead of using good writing and clever solutions for the heroes' problems.
The latter annoys me because I like these characters! And most of them are supposed to be smart, and that's part of the reason I like them! Seeing them acting like idiots is infuriating because not only it diminishes the character, but also because it's very out of character (which bring us back to the inconsistency issue I mentioned).
Still, I'm hopeful that the show will get better at it.... It's still in its first season, so they have time to grow and evolve. :)
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Grodd did have telepathic powers in the comics. Usually enhanced by technology so he could affect Supers IIRC. He has never been one of my favorite villains, but I am looking forward to seeing what they do with him.
I hope someone has him use the line "Kneel before Grodd!" :D
I hope he's going to be able to speak, or at least speak telepathically. I just got the image of Grodd menacing someone in sign language...doesn't really sell it.
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I hope he's going to be able to speak, or at least speak telepathically. I just got the image of Grodd menacing someone in sign language...doesn't really sell it.
He'll get that robot voice glove the gorilla had in the movie Congo. :P
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And I believe in the episode with the flashback about Wells working with the military, there was something about the research being about unlocking psychic potential, so telepathy and mind control could still be part of Grodd's repertoire, once he's finished developing. Looks like his powers are taking more time to mature than the humans affected by the blast.
Indeed. And that could also be how they work Grodd being a scientific genius. When you can read the minds of the smartest guys in the room.....
Which could pose an interesting plot point when he reads Wells mind. We already know Wells has access to future tech. Grodd can get access to that AND learn Wells secret...
I hope they don't include the brain eating. Sure it gives them a way to have Grodd learn quickly but It's just not an addition to the character that I like
I didn't think Grodd ever ate brains, I thought that was the Ultra Humanite?
it's a new52 thing. Apparently the Gorilla city tradition is the new King eats the brain of the old King and gains their knowledge. When Solovar took over he refused to do it. On the plus side it created a duality in the Gorilla society. All their agression and negitive psychology gets funnled into Grodd. Thus Gorilla society as a whole become more civilized, and they are reluctant to kill Grodd because they fear it would cause them to become more savage and agressive again.
Grodd as a former Gorilla king retains the Brain eating option and has apparently used it to eat human brains to gain knowledge. Most recent Aquaman issue said it interfered with his psychic powers so he stopped doing it in order to let his telepathy and telekinesis grow stronger.
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Interesting.
Not all up on the New 52 myself.
Mainly because I just didn't like the first few issues of ANY of the ones I read. ;P
So, why am I still spending money collecting Justice League each month? Meh. Habit I guess. Have an almost complete collection started back in the late 80's. Plus a few years of the 70's.
I cringe to think how much money I could have saved if I had not bought the last few years of comics,... :(
I DO hope they use the 'Kneel before Grodd' line. Depending who is voicing it, it could be an awesome line!
I didn't think Grodd ever ate brains, I thought that was the Ultra Humanite?it's a new52 thing. Apparently the Gorilla city tradition is the new King eats the brain of the old King and gains their knowledge. When Solovar took over he refused to do it. On the plus side it created a duality in the Gorilla society. All their agression and negitive psychology gets funnled into Grodd. Thus Gorilla society as a whole become more civilized, and they are reluctant to kill Grodd because they fear it would cause them to become more savage and agressive again.
Grodd as a former Gorilla king retains the Brain eating option and has apparently used it to eat human brains to gain knowledge. Most recent Aquaman issue said it interfered with his psychic powers so he stopped doing it in order to let his telepathy and telekinesis grow stronger.
There is also the famous panel from Action #893 (right before New52 started) where Grodd holds up a spoon bigger than his head and proclaims "Kneel before GRODD! You have walked into my ambush! And I have brought my biggest combat spoon to eat your tasty BRAINS!!!" My son couldn't stop laughing for ten minutes the first time he saw that panel.
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There is also the famous panel from Action #893 (right before New52 started) where Grodd holds up a spoon bigger than his head and proclaims "Kneel before GRODD! You have walked into my ambush! And I have brought my biggest combat spoon to eat your tasty BRAINS!!!" My son couldn't stop laughing for ten minutes the first time he saw that panel.
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There is also the famous panel from Action #893 (right before New52 started) where Grodd holds up a spoon bigger than his head and proclaims "Kneel before GRODD! You have walked into my ambush! And I have brought my biggest combat spoon to eat your tasty BRAINS!!!" My son couldn't stop laughing for ten minutes the first time he saw that panel.Thank you, Google!
Awesome!
I don't even....
Cool episode, IMO.
It's amazing how good this series is when there are no combat scenes. oO
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Very interesting episode....
I also liked the further delving into the mystery of momma Allen's murder. They had already pretty much established that Barry was there (and comic readers would probably know this from the Flashpoint storyline). It seems to me, however, they were saying Cisco tested the other blood and it wasn't Harrison Wells. In which case, there are multiple Reverse Flashes and it was a different one who killed Nora.
Or maybe I'm remembering it wrong. I may have to go back and watch the episode again.
Wasn't too keen on the side plot of relationship issues. I felt they could have done more with the Firestorm story if they hadn't focused so much on the Linda-Barry-Iris love knot.
All in all, though, this series continues to entertain me. And that's good enough in my book.
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Man I hated Iris this episode. When she sabatoged Barry, I actually muttered an obscenity under my breath. Made me really dislike her.
Good episode, though.
For some reason it really hit me that they are locking these people up indefinitely until they die, though. That's kinda creepy if you really think about it. Some of the metahumans are only acting as they do because they were driven insane by the blast.
Maybe it's the defense attorney in me coming out.
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For some reason it really hit me that they are locking these people up indefinitely until they die, though. That's kinda creepy if you really think about it.
My irrational nitpick about their detention plan is that they don't seem to have any sort of food or bathroom facilities for their prisoners. It's not just crazy illegal, it's actually kind of impractical!
Then again, that's hardly new. I'm pretty sure nobody has swung by Lian Yu to feed or water Slade Wilson, over on Arrow, for about a year now... :)
Yeah, me and everyone I watch with was wondering about that too. Hartley's remark about wanting Thai food really set it itching at me.
For some reason it really hit me that they are locking these people up indefinitely until they die, though. That's kinda creepy if you really think about it.My irrational nitpick about their detention plan is that they don't seem to have any sort of food or bathroom facilities for their prisoners. It's not just crazy illegal, it's actually kind of impractical!
Then again, that's hardly new. I'm pretty sure nobody has swung by Lian Yu to feed or water Slade Wilson, over on Arrow, for about a year now... :)
What gets me is that no one second-guessed this plan. Not even the law enforcement officer who is privy to it. You can also make an argument for the metahumans, but what about the Pied Piper? He's just a regular guy, albeit a genius, when you take away his toys.
Fantastic episode almost all the way through. The end was especially awesome
I only have 1 tiny quibble
The first time they seperated there was a massive explosion. Did it really make any kind of sense to try it the second time in the middle of the city? Seriously they couldn't know it was going to be safe
with that off my chest
how cool was that
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Firestorm was awesome!
However.......
Also, I think the reason they didn't blow up the second time probably has something to do with the quantum splicer and their willingness to merge/un-merge.
And it seems to me they're laying the groundwork for a Flashpoint storyline. It'll be tricky, since they only have a Green "I'm not really Batman, but they want people to think I'm as cool" Arrow. I wonder who would replace him in the alternate reality.
And I'm actually starting to dislike Iris. First she tries to sabotage his budding relationship with Linda Park, now she's going to help some sleazeball reporter investigate them?
But seriously.....
Apparently I was mistaken about the development of Grodd's abilities. Maybe all that scratching on the walls is just him learning to read and write...or the start of a case of megalomania.
As far as Iris and race goes, I think the current version in the comics is black as well. DC pulled a major universe reboot a few years back and added Diversity was part of the mandate. Not generally a fan of diversity for the sake of diversity but if you are rebooting the whole universe I suppose it's ok to slip in a few changes here and there
like a new Wally
Gaaah!! That certainly doesn't resemble the Wally I grew up reading. Not really crazy about the costume. I like the more traditional Barry Allen/original Wally outfit.
Is it just me or does he look like Cyborg with red lightning all over him?
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Heimdall being recast as black in Thor, I never understood why anyone got upset about that one. Heimdall is pretty much a blank slate. I read Marvel a long time, and about once a decade he got an extended (like more than one panel appearance in a book). Otherwise once a year he exchanged like one sentence with someone while standing on Bifrost.
As far as I am concerned that character was fair game for having whatever done with him. Heimdall had more of a role in the original Thor movie (didn't see second one), than in the entirety of say '63 (or whenever the original Journey Into Mystery issue was) to about 1996 or so to my eyes.
For me it was just a gut reaction to Norse God being African.
Sure, plenty of the other Asgardians aren't exactly like their Aesir counterparts and some are made up out of whole cloth, but it's a minor irritation when one of the ones based on Norse gods doesn't even fit in a Norse pantheon.
Maybe the ancient Norse just adopted the pantheon and whitewashed the whole thing to fit it into their own world view.
Like how Christians pretend Christ was white.
while, the US sometimes counts SW Asians (or Middle Eastern peoples) as white, it seems that ONLY counts when it benefits the US govt. When it counts towards helping SW Asians (such as in the job market, getting into schools, etc.) for some reason prejudice takes over and it becomes next to impossible to do certain things (yes, discrimination is alive and well).
Anyways, that touches on a touchy subject for me (of which people complain I get on my soapbox waaaay too much) because I am Asian myself and see it happen IRL.
BUT...on the topic that was being discussed currently here...Jesus WAS from the Middle East and as such should look like the rest of the people from the Middle East, not some Northern European who's never seen the ME in his life.
On the Thor thing, Heimdell didn't bother me at all as far as the movie went. There are other things that would have bothered me FAAAAR more than that (like adding some white Orc as the main villain of a movie which was only a passing mention as the forebear of another minor villain in the book the movie is actually based off of).
Heimdall bugged me for a little bit when I heard, for the Norse gods shouldn't be black thing.
Then someone told me about black Vikings. If I wasn't already over it, that got me the rest of the way there.
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One problem with changing someone's race to add diversity is that there's a certain contingent of people who translate any criticism of the character into racism. On the IMDb board for the show, any vague criticism of Iris is immediately branded proof that the poster is a member of the KKK. I personally find her pretty damn clichéd and boring.
That's weird. I could have sworn this was a thread about the Flash TV series.
You still can swear that, without changing anything. Most courts will not find you in contempt if you do.
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I dislike diversity for diversity's sake. It's trite and seems like pandering.
Now if they cast an awesome actor who is of a different ethnicity than the character is, I don't care.
Kingpin is an awesome example. While I will always see Fisk as an enormous, bald, white man, Michael Clarke Duncan had the gravitas and the presence (He was going for imposing :D) to pull it off. So it didn't bother me overmuch. Just like how I grew to accept Nick Fury as being black. To me, Fury was always white, with a mustache, perpetually smoking and wearing green.