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What spin off show?


Mark Hoover wrote:
What spin off show?

I think I've read somewhere something like Suicide Squad.

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It's supposed to be 7 super powered characters, with Captain Cold, Canary (played by Caity Lotz, i.e. Sarah Lance, so I guess she'll somehow return to life), ATOM/Ray Palmer, and Firestorm (though only Victor Garber who plays Martin Stein has been mentioned as cast on the spin off so far, no word I've seen about Robbie Amell who plays Ronnie Raymond), as well as 3 new characters not yet seen on screen. Some casting calls were sent out about the three new characters, and there's some speculations based on that who they are, but none were big names.

Not a lot of info about the show other than that I've read, so it could be more like Suicide Squad, or a lesser Justice League type super team, but sounds like a grouping/team not necessarily directly from comics.


Early speculation suggests one of the new characters will be Rip Hunter, and that means Time Travel as a key element to the show. Giving us an easy way to include Sarah Lance, Rip simply has to pluck her up from before she gets killed.

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I thought I also read that Booster Gold might be involved, as the producers had previously floated him as a character they'd like to do a spin off series with.


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Set wrote:
JoelF847 wrote:
I wonder if the Captain Cold pledge of no killing is also setting him up to be one of the 7 supers in the new spin off show. Still wondering how they'll get more traditional hero types to work with a criminal like him.

Good catch, there. He is, IIRC, supposed to be part of that show, and I could see a 'no killing' pledge not sitting well with Heat Wave, who is a bit of a 'hothead.'

I think as long as he gets to burn down the building, he'd be fine with letting the people out of it first...

Then more people to sit around watch it burn :D


JoelF847 wrote:
I thought I also read that Booster Gold might be involved, as the producers had previously floated him as a character they'd like to do a spin off series with.

Interesting. I always kinda liked Booster Gold in the Justice League animated series.


Booster is a lot more complex than some people give him credit for.
Sure he is trying to become famous by exploiting his knowledge from the future, but he also doesn't shy away from things.

Think back at the Death of Superman story. Booster would have known right from the start what Doomsday was and what was going to happen and he still went head first into it.

I think that says a lot about him


JoelF847 wrote:
I wonder if the Captain Cold pledge of no killing is also setting him up to be one of the 7 supers in the new spin off show. Still wondering how they'll get more traditional hero types to work with a criminal like him.

That's assuming he's going to be a protagonist, and not one of the main antagonists of the series.

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Greylurker wrote:

Booster is a lot more complex than some people give him credit for.

Sure he is trying to become famous by exploiting his knowledge from the future, but he also doesn't shy away from things.

Think back at the Death of Superman story. Booster would have known right from the start what Doomsday was and what was going to happen and he still went head first into it.

I think that says a lot about him

Yeah, Booster always seemed to be one of those guys whose character and heroism (or lack thereof) varied greatly depending on who was writing him. Sometimes he was clever and heroic. Sometimes he was stupid and greedy. Sometimes he was just plain idiotic.


Aberzombie wrote:


Yeah, Booster always seemed to be one of those guys whose character and heroism (or lack thereof) varied greatly depending on who was writing him. Sometimes he was clever and heroic. Sometimes he was stupid and greedy. Sometimes he was just plain idiotic.

I actually like the character, don't get me wrong. But his whole premise was idiotic.

Sometimes he had to keep things to himself so he wouldn't interfere with history. But he walks around the 20th/early 21st century with technology and knowledge from the future. I mean, if one villain stole his gear and reverse engineered it, or telepathically probed his mind...

And assuming he doesn't interfere with the timeline, it's not like Skeets doesn't know things like exactly what the recorded history of Booster Gold is.

Heck one inquiry the first time that he met Ted Kord would clue him in that Ted was going to die relatively soon.

That light hearted JLI friendship is creepy in that light.

Of course the Ur example is the Legion having Superboy on the team. They can't have him changing history so he gets a "hypnotic" command, or whatever so he doesn't remember things from the future. Except you know his friends, their adventures, the fact that he knows for sure there is a happy, successful 30th century.

And Superman is their inspiration, and a key part of their and everyone's history.

So naturally they bring him forward in time repeatedly to engage in adventures where he actually could be killed by some opponents.

Doesn't make sense any way you spin it, if you think about it.

So best not to think about it, I guess.


sunbeam wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:


Yeah, Booster always seemed to be one of those guys whose character and heroism (or lack thereof) varied greatly depending on who was writing him. Sometimes he was clever and heroic. Sometimes he was stupid and greedy. Sometimes he was just plain idiotic.

I actually like the character, don't get me wrong. But his whole premise was idiotic.

Sometimes he had to keep things to himself so he wouldn't interfere with history. But he walks around the 20th/early 21st century with technology and knowledge from the future. I mean, if one villain stole his gear and reverse engineered it, or telepathically probed his mind...

And assuming he doesn't interfere with the timeline, it's not like Skeets doesn't know things like exactly what the recorded history of Booster Gold is.

Heck one inquiry the first time that he met Ted Kord would clue him in that Ted was going to die relatively soon.

To be fair, the core concept isn't THAT bad... It's actually a fairly decent trope. Grab a bunch of stuff that is common place where YOU are... and go be a god somewhen else... It's actually one of Prof. Zoom's origins. Future is too boring/cops are too good, use your tech/powers to go somewhere you have the advantage... Same with Abracadara..

Flight ring, Forcefield, blasters... There are a lot of superheroes that got by with less.

Damaging the time stream? I believe booster never cared. Everything was pretty well set... everytime people TRY to change the past it backfires anyway, so he probably felt safe. And honestly, with a different earth shattering cataclysm every year, I REALLY doubt the future has very good records about all the minor heroes. Ted Kord barely formed a ripple so I have a feeling that his fate wasn't recorded for posterity.

Actually I remember and issue somewhere when Green Arrow was talking about how everytime someone died, they went on a mission to cover up everything. To protect their identities and loved ones from any post-mortem revenge schemes.

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Ok, soooo, this last episode was pretty damn good.

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So Eobard Thawne took Harrison Welles body I guess. Poor original Harrison


So from last night's episode we know that...

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The real Eobard Thawne was active as the Reverse Flash in the far future and made multiple trips to the past to fight Barry; since the show doesn't necessarily follow any particular comics storyline, we don't yet know why -- just what was his issue with the Flash?

At some point he got fed up and decided to kill young Barry before the Flash came to be; just as well for him that he failed, because seconds after he failed to do that, his suit ran out of juice and stranded him in the past. Now he has to (re)create the Flash so he can tap into the Speed Force and get back home, where...what? He'll go back to making time trips to fight the Flash? This guy needs a new hobby.

Now that we know Wells hasn't been Wells this whole time, I'm not sure why Thawne-as-Wells has been so concerned with making sure the Flash remains on track to disappear during the Crisis...unless at that point the Flash "disappears" into Thawne's time, where the two meet for the "first" time. If that doesn't happen, Thawne's personal timeline is screwed up, he might never make time trips, etc.

It's still not clear to me how Nora Allen was accidentally killed during the fight between Thawne and adult Barry. Or maybe Thawne killed her to buy time to get away from adult Barry? I think he only told Cisco he hadn't gone to the Allen house to kill Nora, he'd gone there to kill Barry.

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Also, scenes for the rest of the season, WOW! I think the producers lied in the past about

Spoiler:
not having Arrow and Flash team up again this season

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sunbeam wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:


Yeah, Booster always seemed to be one of those guys whose character and heroism (or lack thereof) varied greatly depending on who was writing him. Sometimes he was clever and heroic. Sometimes he was stupid and greedy. Sometimes he was just plain idiotic.

I actually like the character, don't get me wrong. But his whole premise was idiotic.

Sometimes he had to keep things to himself so he wouldn't interfere with history. But he walks around the 20th/early 21st century with technology and knowledge from the future. I mean, if one villain stole his gear and reverse engineered it, or telepathically probed his mind...

And assuming he doesn't interfere with the timeline, it's not like Skeets doesn't know things like exactly what the recorded history of Booster Gold is.

Heck one inquiry the first time that he met Ted Kord would clue him in that Ted was going to die relatively soon.

That light hearted JLI friendship is creepy in that light.

On one hand, this is just the cost of having time travel in an ongoing story medium.

On the other, remember that Ted Kord's death was sorta the launching point for.. um... Infinite Crisis (DC has way too many of those things) which sorta messed up the timeline in DC, again. Booster also blatantly admits he doesn't know anything about history, relying entirely on Skeets, who was really a villain for some indeterminate period of time during the whole Infinite/Final Crisis thing.

Then there's the even later retcon that the history Booster and Skeets would know is really a lie since Booster's son stole all the credit for Booster's heroics.


Even pausing the video, I'm unable to tell what's going on in a lot of it. Several unfamiliar faces, some uncertain locations.

00:10 Flash + Arrow + Firestorm, exterior night. Could be either city.

00:11 A.T.O.M., exertior day. Gotta be Central City, as there are never any consequential scenes in Starling before dark. And it looks like STAR Labs.

00:36 Detectives West & Lance. Might be Wells's skull being dug up, but where? What brings those two jurisdictions together?

00:42 "Hello, Cisco." Uh, oh, we've seen this before. Looks bad for the kid.

00:43 Why does Gen. Eiling look so white?

00:51 Red speedster vs. red speedster?

00:52 Who's the blonde with all the monitors? Are we getting Oracle?

00:53 Who's the guy in the heavy metal/mesh mask?

00:54 Who's the guy with the slick head and covered eyes?

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What video?


Hama wrote:
What video?

This one; teasers for the rest of the season.

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Well, Eiling has a similar look to Solomon Grundy, but we already saw Cyrus Gold. It could be a third(ish) explanation for Eiling's superhuman form. The -ish being that if Mirakuru is involved it's similar to the DCAU's use of the Captain Nazi serum.

I think 0:52 might be Brie Larvan/The Bug-Eyed Bandit.

It's hard to say but the bald guy might be Doug Jones in makeup (like always), which means its Jake Simmons/Deathbolt who will be appearing on Arrow first.

Not sure about the mask guy.

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Wow, just watched the new episode and thought it was the greatest Flash episode ever.

I loved the part where James Jesse gets down close to Axel and looks him in the eyes and says ...

Spoiler:

I .... am your father

I was really hoping that once we found out that ...

Spoiler:

Wells wasn't REALLY Wells that there was going to be a way to separate Wells from Thawne and make him a real member of the team.


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I realize Barry is young, but sometimes I get really tired of him--whenever someone gives him sound advice--turning around and ignoring it.

Wells: "Don't change the timeline. It's dangerous."

Barry: "Okay." Immediately goes out and changes everything.

West: "We'll get him, but you need to be patient."

Barry: "Okay." Immediately starts giving Wells the grumpy face and dropping vague comments in his grumpy voice.

It has gotten to the point that whenever someone older and wiser is speaking to him, I can rely on him to do the exact opposite, thus providing added conflict for that episode. I really enjoy the show, but that part is getting tired and predictable.


Well, when he changed the timeline everything turned out for the better, and he didn't do anything to go against that second bit of advice, so I think your premise is kinda thin.


Rynjin wrote:
Well, when he changed the timeline everything turned out for the better, and he didn't do anything to go against that second bit of advice, so I think your premise is kinda thin.

Yes, he did. He started getting snarky with Wells and West had to cover for him. Wells/Thawne is incredibly intelligent. Barry is a horrible liar. If Wells doesn't have his suspicions yet, he will soon.

New timeline: They stop one villain, but three others are on the loose. Instead of the captain dying, several people die in a casino heist. One of the most dangerous villains knows his true identity. Caitlin had to come up with a ridiculous lie about "lightning psychosis" to cover up Barry's dumb "I love you" move, which means that either Caitlin is a terrific liar, or the Eddie (a detective) and Iris (a reporter) are gullible. The reporter, the one who probably had the most damning collection of evidence against Wells, is now dead and his information lost. "Turned out for the better?" That's pretty subjective.


Damon Griffin wrote:


00:52 Who's the blonde with all the monitors? Are we getting Oracle?

That's Felicity Smoak.


Shadowborn wrote:
Rynjin wrote:
Well, when he changed the timeline everything turned out for the better, and he didn't do anything to go against that second bit of advice, so I think your premise is kinda thin.

Yes, he did. He started getting snarky with Wells and West had to cover for him. Wells/Thawne is incredibly intelligent. Barry is a horrible liar. If Wells doesn't have his suspicions yet, he will soon.

New timeline: They stop one villain, but three others are on the loose. Instead of the captain dying, several people die in a casino heist. One of the most dangerous villains knows his true identity. Caitlin had to come up with a ridiculous lie about "lightning psychosis" to cover up Barry's dumb "I love you" move, which means that either Caitlin is a terrific liar, or the detective and reporter are gullible. The reporter, the one who probably had the most damning collection of evidence against Wells, is now dead and his information lost. "Turned out for the better?" That's pretty subjective.

Several people die, but the villain has taken a vow to not kill (which it seems he intends to keep) and to keep their vendetta between them. And Barry has to suffer through a truckload of embarrassment.

Big bad things is that Bridges is dead...but his death is what finally tips Barry off that Wells is a no good lyin' crook and that eh should be wary of him.

Versus: The captain's dead, Cisco's dead, a few hundred other people are dead, and Iris knows he's the Flash (I don't trust her to keep her fat mouth shut for a second). Plus Barry still would have been stubbornly clinging to the idea that Well could do no wrong (remember, he told Bridges that there was no reason to suspect Wells even after he saw some of what he was talking about).

All in all scenario B is a hell of a lot worse for everyone involved, except poor reporter guy.


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Versus: The captain's dead, Cisco's dead, a few hundred other people are dead, and Iris knows he's the Flash (I don't trust her to keep her fat mouth shut for a second). Plus Barry still would have been stubbornly clinging to the idea that Well could do no wrong (remember, he told Bridges that there was no reason to suspect Wells even after he saw some of what he was talking about).

All in all scenario B is a hell of a lot worse for everyone involved, except poor reporter guy.

This.

One thing I love about Barry, is that he is HERO. Wells pretty much told him to ignore everything he knew, and let the Bad guy kill a bunch of people.

Even if intellectually he knew it was a valid plan... the hero couldn't let that happen. He didnt' put the suit on to stand there and do nothing while innocent people were murdered.

That is point 1. under no circumstances would Barry actually do that.. If the choice is let something bad happen, or else something else bad MAY happen... Heroes don't let people die for 'maybes'...

Point 2... is that Wells was full of crap from Barry's point of view. Changing the actions of ONE day wouldn't alter the timeline. Not to the people living in the present. To someone born centuries later... it was a threat. To the people of 2015... One day wouldn't break the universe.

Point 3... It was a stupid thing to suggest. By Well's plan, Typhoon still happens, Barry races to stop it... goes back in time AGAIN... and rinse/repeat. He starts Groundhog daying into loop with no way out. Also, There really isn't anything that says his counter wave kept working after he traveled and Weather Wizard didn't wipe out the city after Flash mysteriously disappeared... When stuck in a time loop... You HAVE to break out by doing something different.

Besides, he's still bound and determined to save his mom and change history ANYWAY....

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Shadowborn wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:


00:52 Who's the blonde with all the monitors? Are we getting Oracle?
That's Felicity Smoak.

No, it's not.


Shadowborn wrote:
New timeline: They stop one villain, but three others are on the loose. The reporter, the one who probably had the most damning collection of evidence against Wells, is now dead and his information lost. "Turned out for the better?" That's pretty subjective.

I don't know what brought Cold/Glider/Heat Wave into the new timeline, but there isn't anything to suggest it was a consequence of Barry's actions. If for some reason they were waiting for the Mardon situation to be resolved before they struck, then they arrived earlier in the new timeline, but would have come in any case.

The reporter? Yeah, that's on Barry.


Shadowborn wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:


00:52 Who's the blonde with all the monitors? Are we getting Oracle?
That's Felicity Smoak.

It's not Felicity. Someone on another message board says she's the Bug-Eyed Bandit.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Agreed. Especially when events outside the writers' preconceptions may present alternatives, such as the unpredictable chemistry (or lack thereof) between performers. In this case, Gustin and Panabaker have shown more of it than Gustin and Patton, for instance, and I think that pairing (Barry/Caitlin) may have more legs than Barry/Iris does. Might have less drama, though, which writers hate.

I can't think of a single character that Barry has shown LESS chemistry with than Iris. To be honest, I'd buy a Barry/Eddie romance more so than a Barry/Iris romance.

The one I'm really rooting for is Caitlin/Felicity. :D

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Kthulhu wrote:

I can't think of a single character that Barry has shown LESS chemistry with than Iris. To be honest, I'd buy a Barry/Eddie romance more so than a Barry/Iris romance.

The one I'm really rooting for is Caitlin/Felicity. :D

Ha! Smokin!

Although Nyssa/Laurel might be more likely, at this point. They seem to have some chemistry going on. (Then again, Nyssa seems to have chemistry with everyone...)

And poor Cisco, who just desperately wants chemistry with anyone!


Set wrote:

(Then again, Nyssa seems to have chemistry with everyone...)

Nyssalicity...mmmm.

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Set wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:

I can't think of a single character that Barry has shown LESS chemistry with than Iris. To be honest, I'd buy a Barry/Eddie romance more so than a Barry/Iris romance.

The one I'm really rooting for is Caitlin/Felicity. :D

Ha! Smokin!

Although Nyssa/Laurel might be more likely, at this point. They seem to have some chemistry going on. (Then again, Nyssa seems to have chemistry with everyone...)

And poor Cisco, who just desperately wants chemistry with anyone!

Don't watch arrow, so not really sure who the first couple are.

They should pair Cisco off with Iris. And then shove them into a refrigerator.

:P

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:


00:52 Who's the blonde with all the monitors? Are we getting Oracle?
That's Felicity Smoak.
It's not Felicity. Someone on another message board says she's the Bug-Eyed Bandit.

* Cough *

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Set wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:

I can't think of a single character that Barry has shown LESS chemistry with than Iris. To be honest, I'd buy a Barry/Eddie romance more so than a Barry/Iris romance.

The one I'm really rooting for is Caitlin/Felicity. :D

Ha! Smokin!

Although Nyssa/Laurel might be more likely, at this point. They seem to have some chemistry going on. (Then again, Nyssa seems to have chemistry with everyone...)

And poor Cisco, who just desperately wants chemistry with anyone!

No one likes Vibe.


Krensky wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:
Someone on another message board says she's the Bug-Eyed Bandit.
* Cough *

Ah. Someone on this board as well. Mea culpa, I managed to miss that post altogether.

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Damon Griffin wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
New timeline: They stop one villain, but three others are on the loose. The reporter, the one who probably had the most damning collection of evidence against Wells, is now dead and his information lost. "Turned out for the better?" That's pretty subjective.

I don't know what brought Cold/Glider/Heat Wave into the new timeline, but there isn't anything to suggest it was a consequence of Barry's actions. If for some reason they were waiting for the Mardon situation to be resolved before they struck, then they arrived earlier in the new timeline, but would have come in any case.

The reporter? Yeah, that's on Barry.

Barry indirectly saved Cisco. That made him available for kidnapping by the previously disarmed supervillains.


Feral wrote:
Damon Griffin wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
New timeline: They stop one villain, but three others are on the loose. The reporter, the one who probably had the most damning collection of evidence against Wells, is now dead and his information lost. "Turned out for the better?" That's pretty subjective.

I don't know what brought Cold/Glider/Heat Wave into the new timeline, but there isn't anything to suggest it was a consequence of Barry's actions. If for some reason they were waiting for the Mardon situation to be resolved before they struck, then they arrived earlier in the new timeline, but would have come in any case.

The reporter? Yeah, that's on Barry.

Barry indirectly saved Cisco. That made him available for kidnapping by the previously disarmed supervillains.

If the writers follow the logic of "The Flashpoint Paradox", changing the past sends ripples up and down the timestream, affecting even events that occurred before the altered event (Batman's origin, for instance). So you could blame *anything* on the change.


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I actually quite like Cisco. It took him some time to grow on me, but his positive outlook and goofy humor really mesh quite well with the show.

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He's OK, but it's pretty clear that the writers have no clue what to do with him until he

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gets his superpowers

Let's face it. The guy names supervillains and inadvertently makes them weapons. That's it.

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At least he's not the lazy, shallow, ethnic stereotype he was in the comics.


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Let's face it. The guy names supervillains and inadvertently makes them weapons. That's it.

Honestly, that's a VERY important part of this (and any) comic series. Just imagine how bland it would be with no names and no weapons...

That's one of the things that I REALLY enjoyed from the Raimi Spidey movies... Watching Jameson sit around and come up with 'code names' for the villains. Having intellectual characters like Osborn and Octavious coming up with their names and proclaiming them from the streets was always a little weird in the modern age.

Other people mocking them from a distance and making it a household name... that's just fun :)

Krensky wrote:
At least he's not the lazy, shallow, ethnic stereotype he was in the comics.

This.

I REALLY hated everything I ever saw about Vibe. Powers, costumes, characterization... EVERYTHING.

Cisco has a fun charm and I really like him as a character. Honestly, I tend to forget they're supposed to be the same person. Same with Caitlin. I hope these two's comic stories get ripped out and thrown away and we just stick with the Team Flash that we got going on here :D


How can you not like Cisco? Yeah, he's not exactly a complex character, but he's fun, and useful to the team.

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I'm having trouble buying Caitlin as a potential villain. She's just too damn adorable.


Kthulhu wrote:
I'm having trouble buying Caitlin as a potential villain. She's just too damn adorable.

If I am remembering the current Killer Frost she is one of those "suffering unwilling villain caused by uncontrolled powers" types. Constantly cold and absorbing heat from everything around her. Seem to remember her throwing herself in a volcano in the hopes it would make her warm.

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Rynjin wrote:
How can you not like Cisco? Yeah, he's not exactly a complex character, but he's fun, and useful to the team.

TV Cisco is fine.

Comic Cisco/Vibe has, to my understanding gotten better, but when introduced was a lazy ethnic stereotype. Latino gang-banger breakdancer with vibrational/music powers and dressed sorta like a carnival or flamenco dancer.

Greylurker wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
I'm having trouble buying Caitlin as a potential villain. She's just too damn adorable.
If I am remembering the current Killer Frost she is one of those "suffering unwilling villain caused by uncontrolled powers" types. Constantly cold and absorbing heat from everything around her. Seem to remember her throwing herself in a volcano in the hopes it would make her warm.

Yeah, Caitlin Snow/Killer Frost isn't a villain so much as a threat. Like the TV show version of Plastiq with some amount of needing to absorb heat form things. She does have a thing for Firestorm as he was the only thing hot enough to make her normal for a while, and she has been known to use her powers, in an incidental way, for good.

As for Cisco and Caitlin getting powers, who knows. They haven't done anything with the Doctor Light reference, and remember that in the comics Felicity is Ronnie/Firestorm's stepmom. Plus Ms Snart/Gilder is pretty much completely different there too. Same with Palmer/ATOM.


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Kthulhu wrote:
I'm having trouble buying Caitlin as a potential villain. She's just too damn adorable.

It's entirely possible that if they do have Killer Frost on the show, it won't be Caitlin. There have been something like three of them in the comics, as I recall (Snow being one of the more recent ones, IIRC created during "New 52").

In fact, that's what I'd prefer to see. Like you, I don't quite see how they'd have her believably turn into a villain and feel it would be a waste of a great character.

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Cthulhudrew wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
I'm having trouble buying Caitlin as a potential villain. She's just too damn adorable.

It's entirely possible that if they do have Killer Frost on the show, it won't be Caitlin. There have been something like three of them in the comics, as I recall (Snow being one of the more recent ones, IIRC created during "New 52").

In fact, that's what I'd prefer to see. Like you, I don't quite see how they'd have her believably turn into a villain and feel it would be a waste of a great character.

I think we are more likely to see the original Killer Frost before we see Caitlin as Frost. Likely Snart's sister will pick them up here soon after some accident with Captain Cold's gun.


Even if Caitlin does get superpowers, which I'm not sure, I think they won't make her a villain.
I think they gave her that name as a bait for us!

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