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. Admittedly, Sunspot and Manifold have kinda kept to the background, although that seems to be changing with the new storyline, where all sorts of weird stuff is going, including a time-jump of several months. We may be heading towards some sort of reset, I fear.
Possibly, though I suspect it'll be limited to that particular Avengers storyline, since I haven't seen a lot of crossover outside it.

magnuskn |

magnuskn wrote:. Admittedly, Sunspot and Manifold have kinda kept to the background, although that seems to be changing with the new storyline, where all sorts of weird stuff is going, including a time-jump of several months. We may be heading towards some sort of reset, I fear.Possibly, though I suspect it'll be limited to that particular Avengers storyline, since I haven't seen a lot of crossover outside it.
Well. There are four major sub-plots running through different titles which have to do with the time continuum being kinda effed.
There's this major storyline which had the main Avenger comic making a time-jump of several months, with huge personal changes for some characters (Sunspot bought AIM. Cannonball is married to Smasher and they have a kid, which make a lot of X-Fans go oO ). It's still quite mysterious where it is going, but sudden time-jumps with major shake-ups are always suspect of getting a reset.
There was the still very recent Uncanny Avengers storyline where the Apocalypse twins created a timeline where Earth was destroyed and the status was just reset by some of the Uncanny Avengers.
There is the whole "Multiverse Earths are colliding into each other" storyline in New Avengers, which has also now an advanced timeline, with the Illuminati on the run from other Avengers.
And there are new All-New X-Men, i.e. the original five X-Men, who have been brought to the present and are staying here.
Add to this that in some of the cosmic titles people like Thanos are commenting on how there is a major distortion in the time continuum centered on Earth and we got a mix which seems to point towards some Crisis of Infinite Earths type crossover/timeline reset.
I certainly don't hope it is happening, but Marvel are not throwing out all those storylines without a reason. There's something up, IMO.

Freehold DM |

Freehold DM wrote:magnuskn wrote:Loved some of new avengers stuff, will read more. Note that you stated this is *across* the major teams, still a very good chance these characters are in the background saving civilians while the forerunners get full page splashes as they punch villain du jour in the face.Freehold DM wrote:Yeah, well. New characters by definition need to establish themselves. In the current Avengers line-up (across all major teams), there are Roberto DaCosta (Sunspot), Nightmask, White Tiger (Ava Ayala), Sunfire (Shiro Yoshina), Shang Chi, Manifold (Eden Fesi), Luke Cage, Blue Marvel (Adam Brashear), Power Man (Victor Alvarez) and, oh, yeah, Sam Wilson, the current Captain America.magnuskn wrote:Freehold DM wrote:I can only say that's a schtick that is kept in x-comics, not something you see much outside of it. Which is the problem, really. Also, it's no longer the 70's, which is a bigger problem- the comics you remember are not the comics that are being read now, and marvel has noticably backslid. What worked as diversity in 1978 doesn't work in 2014.This is entirely devoid of fact checking. Marvel has most assuredly not "backslid" on their integration of ethnicities and gender orientated characters.And when was the last time you saw any of the characters you mentioned hanging with Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Spidey and Wolverine in a book that wasn't being put out to make Marvel side cash but was actually paying the bills- mainstream Avengers, X-Men, Spider-Man, Thor?
Not recently beyond a cameo, I'll bet.
Of course, that's not really backsliding. That's how it was back in the day too. In fact, those are the same big name characters you want them hanging out with now as they were back then.
You're also moving the goalposts. Those new characters may not be the mainline characters paying the bills, but neither are new male white characters. They definitely are, as you requested, hanging with those headline characters in...
minor point of order- I did mention beyond a cameo. Hanging out in the background, saving civilians and maybe punching a flunkie is a cameo in my view. Maybe not yours, or others. That said, I will detach my grappling hook from the goal post I am swinging from as my body weight may be jostling it a bit.

Freehold DM |

thejeff wrote:magnuskn wrote:. Admittedly, Sunspot and Manifold have kinda kept to the background, although that seems to be changing with the new storyline, where all sorts of weird stuff is going, including a time-jump of several months. We may be heading towards some sort of reset, I fear.Possibly, though I suspect it'll be limited to that particular Avengers storyline, since I haven't seen a lot of crossover outside it.Well. There are four major sub-plots running through different titles which have to do with the time continuum being kinda effed.
There's this major storyline which had the main Avenger comic making a time-jump of several months, with huge personal changes for some characters (Sunspot bought AIM. Cannonball is married to Smasher and they have a kid, which make a lot of X-Fans go oO ). It's still quite mysterious where it is going, but sudden time-jumps with major shake-ups are always suspect of getting a reset.
There was the still very recent Uncanny Avengers storyline where the Apocalypse twins created a timeline where Earth was destroyed and the status was just reset by some of the Uncanny Avengers.
There is the whole "Multiverse Earths are colliding into each other" storyline in New Avengers, which has also now an advanced timeline, with the Illuminati on the run from other Avengers.
And there are new All-New X-Men, i.e. the original five X-Men, who have been brought to the present and are staying here.
Add to this that in some of the cosmic titles people like Thanos are commenting on how there is a major distortion in the time continuum centered on Earth and we got a mix which seems to point towards some Crisis of Infinite Earths type crossover/timeline reset.
I certainly don't hope it is happening, but Marvel are not throwing out all those storylines without a reason. There's something up, IMO.
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Goldballs is not that bad of a character. Just given a truly stupid name by the writer who created him. It's like having the power to creae wood a shape it then have the writer call the character the Carpenter. At least it's better than Snot or Glob. Yes there are two characters called that. If you decide to research them you have been warned

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k3ndawg wrote:When a story is written, not one moment should be spent on race/sex/political considerations. It should just be a story, told without agenda. Just as we should read these stories, without our own agendas.I disagree with this.
Firstly, if you are not consciously considering rac/sex/politics then your subconsious assumptions and biases will come through. Race/sex/politics will still be there, it just won't be deliberate.
Our subconscious was created to be perfect. They (our subconsciouses) foundationalized to have compassion towards one another. The base assumptions came through the programming we received from our Earthly parents. You have to be carefully taught to hate gays, to hate blacks, and to hate politics that don't agree with yours.
Basically, your confusing subconscious feelings with our conscious feelings which is often indoctrinated in the first place. I don't usually write according to the dictates of my subconscious (except for my porn), but I do write according to my indoctrination.

thejeff |
GeraintElberion wrote:k3ndawg wrote:When a story is written, not one moment should be spent on race/sex/political considerations. It should just be a story, told without agenda. Just as we should read these stories, without our own agendas.I disagree with this.
Firstly, if you are not consciously considering rac/sex/politics then your subconsious assumptions and biases will come through. Race/sex/politics will still be there, it just won't be deliberate.
Our subconscious was created to be perfect. They (our subconsciouses) foundationalized to have compassion towards one another. The base assumptions came through the programming we received from our Earthly parents. You have to be carefully taught to hate gays, to hate blacks, and to hate politics that don't agree with yours.
Basically, your confusing subconscious feelings with our conscious feelings which is often indoctrinated in the first place. I don't usually write according to the dictates of my subconscious (except for my porn), but I do write according to my indoctrination.
Indoctrination can still be subconscious. If you've been carefully taught, mostly by examples in fiction and other sources throughout your children, rather than by being explicitly told, that women are homemakers and men are the warriors and adventurers, the stories you write are going to reflect that, not because you consciously decide that women aren't fit for it, but because you don't even think about putting women in the heroic roles.
Similarly with all the other stereotypes and prejudices we absorb with our culture. If you're not actively, consciously trying, it's very easy to slip into acting on them or echoing them in your work.
Another less charged example: Writing fiction set in a different culture (fantasy, historical, or just geographic distance) - without conscious effort you'll write in a modern cultural voice, reflecting your own assumptions and prejudices, not those of the time and place you're supposed to be writing about. Those are subconscious assumptions coming out, not conscious ones.

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GeraintElberion wrote:k3ndawg wrote:When a story is written, not one moment should be spent on race/sex/political considerations. It should just be a story, told without agenda. Just as we should read these stories, without our own agendas.I disagree with this.
Firstly, if you are not consciously considering rac/sex/politics then your subconsious assumptions and biases will come through. Race/sex/politics will still be there, it just won't be deliberate.
Our subconscious was created to be perfect. They (our subconsciouses) foundationalized to have compassion towards one another. The base assumptions came through the programming we received from our Earthly parents. You have to be carefully taught to hate gays, to hate blacks, and to hate politics that don't agree with yours.
Basically, your confusing subconscious feelings with our conscious feelings which is often indoctrinated in the first place. I don't usually write according to the dictates of my subconscious (except for my porn), but I do write according to my indoctrination.
The Mage: The Ascension forum is that way -------->

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I will most definitely be supporting this book. As I've just dropped both Bendis X-titles and one of Hickman's Avengers books there's room on my pull list for this.
I don't mind the diversity at all, but I wonder why the title of this thread isn't banded for sexist/racist comments.

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There is the whole "Multiverse Earths are colliding into each other" storyline in New Avengers, which has also now an advanced timeline, with the Illuminati on the run from other Avengers.
And there are new All-New X-Men, i.e. the original five X-Men, who have been brought to the present and are staying here.
Add to this that in some of the cosmic titles people like Thanos are commenting on how there is a major distortion in the time continuum centered on Earth and we got a mix which seems to point towards some Crisis of Infinite Earths type crossover/timeline reset.
I certainly don't hope it is happening, but Marvel are not throwing out all those storylines without a reason. There's something up, IMO.
hey I just picked up avengers and new avengers yesterday... the amount of worlds left in the multiverse is now less than two dozen, and at the end of both books, the Ultimates universe (Earth 1610) has just come to collide with Marvel Comics (Earth 616), with young psychopath Earth 1610 Reed Richards facing off against Earth 616 Thanos and friends (i.e. the Cabal)... in that comic, Earth 1610 psychoteen Richards casually mentions that he has destroyed 67 worlds so far to protect Earth 1610 against incursions... (and he gets recruited by Nick Fury to rebuild SHIELD with some proper AI, with a warning "Your last self aware City wiped out half of Europe... you're hired but do it right!")
I haven't followed the Ultimates at all, but young psycho Richards seems indestructible and almighty... if he wipes the floor with Thanos... I think it's safe to assume we're looking at a major reboot of Marvel (i.e. one world left, no multiverse, recreated in the victor's image...)