The focus Group

[wuhan]

Just finished watching Adam Curtis's "The Century of Self" part 3, for like the 4th or 5th time.

At 52:25min in, the questions are asked.

"What do you want?"
"What do you really want?"
"What do you want that for?"

For pathfinder Online, I want what I can't seem to find in the real world.
The fantasy, of "Propriety."

[Bringslite]

I could go for that, even if I can't always seem to practice it. :)

[Bluddwolf]

Quote:

Propriety - Merriam-Webster Online

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propriety‎
behavior that is accepted as socially or morally correct and proper. : the state or quality of being correct and proper. proprieties : rules of correct social behavior.

What gauge of social, moral and proper behavior are you looking to use in PFO?

PFO will be set in the River Kingdoms, so are you using that setting as a basis for those behaviors?

[Trikk]

I think Ultima Online among other MMORPGs have shown that players do not know what they want. Players think they want easy, safe, fast but when games adapt features to make it easier, safer and faster the players get bored and leave.

WoW is another good example. Dungeons and raids are too hard! World PvP is dangerous! Traveling takes too long! Now the players are bored out of their minds because they clear all content in no time, there's never any sense of danger or drama or urgency and the world feels tiny.

Look at Diablo 3 vs Path of Exile. Diablo 3 is a straight up smoother experience than Diablo 2. There's no risk of PvP, there's no permanent choices for your character, anyone can beat the game if they put the time in. Path of Exile instead embraced the difficulties and challenges of D2 and it's been able to maintain and grow their player population continuously.

Games should be considered art. An artist doesn't ask the public what they want to hear, see, smell, taste or touch. They create a work of art and then the players experience it. Crowdforging should be considered critique rather than dictation; we are telling them how we feel but they have the responsibility of turning our thoughts into a great game.

[Lam]

A game is about making easy things hard. But simple things should be simple.

Workflow is about making complex tasks easy.

A game is not about a hard task, but it may have complexity.

o R

lam

[Trikk]

Lam wrote:

A game is about making easy things hard. But simple things should be simple.

Workflow is about making complex tasks easy.

A game is not about a hard task, but it may have complexity.

o R

lam

Yes, putting on a pair of pants should be a simple click while defeating a dragon should require knowledge, tactics and skill.

[Qallz]

Trikk wrote:

Lam wrote:

A game is about making easy things hard. But simple things should be simple.

Workflow is about making complex tasks easy.

A game is not about a hard task, but it may have complexity.

o R

lam

Yes, putting on a pair of pants should be a simple click while defeating a dragon should require knowledge, tactics and skill.

I think putting on pants should take skill, otherwise everyone would be wearing pants.

[Pax Morbis]

Qallz wrote:

I think putting on pants should take skill, otherwise everyone would be wearing pants.

As the local Murderherd representative, I want to assure you that I will be doing my best to make sure that this doesn't happen. Pants are a blight on this community that will be eradicated.

[Trikk]

Qallz wrote:

I think putting on pants should take skill, otherwise everyone would be wearing pants.

I find that putting on pants is difficult enough to accomplish and impossible to motivate oneself for in real life. I want this game to have some escapism, please.

[AvenaOats]

Dragon vs Army = even fight?

Ie "muster players" player-skill or you (solo) are toast and your flock of sheep are jam.

[Nihimon]

wuhan wrote:

"What do you want?"

"What do you really want?"

Must... resist... gah!!!

*fails Wisdom check*

[Imbicatus]

Nihimon wrote:

wuhan wrote:

"What do you want?"

"What do you really want?"

Must... resist... gah!!!

*fails Wisdom check*

I know where that links goes, and passed my Wisdom check to not click on it.

[Nihimon]

I've passed a few other Wisdom checks recently, so I figured I was due :)

[Diella]

I failed ack can I have my three minutes back.

[Nihimon]

Diella wrote:

I failed ack can I have my three minutes back.

You stuck around for three minutes?!

[George Velez]

@Nihimon

Diella must have rolled a natural "1" on that wisdom check. :)

[Diella]

I guess I must have been channeling my bloodrager with an int score of 6 and wis of 7

[Imbicatus]

Diella wrote:

I guess I must have been channeling my bloodrager with an int score of 6 and wis of 7

You need to see if your GM will let you use 3rd party feats and take Self Delusion

[Proxima Sin]

I knew where that link went and deliberately clicked it because these forums can always stand to spice things up.

[V'rel Vusoryn]

Nihimon wrote:

I've passed a few other Wisdom checks recently, so I figured I was due :)

I failed mine as well, but made up for it I believe as found a trail that led me to end my viewing with Limahl and the Neverending Story theme.

[Papaver]

Nihimon wrote:

wuhan wrote:

"What do you want?"

"What do you really want?"

Must... resist... gah!!!

*fails Wisdom check*

GEMA passed the wisdom check for me.

[Pope Random Access Memory the ∞]

Pax Morbis wrote:

Qallz wrote:

I think putting on pants should take skill, otherwise everyone would be wearing pants.

As the local Murderherd representative, I want to assure you that I will be doing my best to make sure that this doesn't happen. Pants are a blight on this community that will be eradicated.

Are these US pants, UK pants, or both?

If it's both, there's at least one solution.

[wuhan]

We are the focus group.

I want quests where your characters actions of Lawful, or Good, are determined by propriety, not quest reward.
There's little reward in having integrity. Other than the knowledge, or experience of doing the right thing. That's not so much a reward as a definition of character.

What do you guys want?

[Lam]

Interesting Moth story on the radio this weekend. If you follow moth I hope I did the spoiler right:

Moth:

sometimes planning a second pair of sweats keeps one from being "panted'

Moth hour!