Class pre-reqs for feats / traits / etc

[Ellias Aubec]

Do these new classes count as their alternate classes for getting access to feats/traits/etc so long as they meet any other pre-reqs? I'm guessing yes because it states they are alternate classes and would presumably work like the ninja/samuri/anti-paladin in that way.

[Lyee]

Ellias Aubec wrote:

Do these new classes count as their alternate classes for getting access to feats/traits/etc so long as they meet any other pre-reqs? I'm guessing yes because it states they are alternate classes and would presumably work like the ninja/samuri/anti-paladin in that way.

No.

In some cases, it explicitly states they do count (Arcane Bloodline Bloodrager counts as fighter for several feat pre-reqs). If it doesn't say it in the class, it does not count.

[Some Random Dood]

Lyee wrote:

Ellias Aubec wrote:

Do these new classes count as their alternate classes for getting access to feats/traits/etc so long as they meet any other pre-reqs? I'm guessing yes because it states they are alternate classes and would presumably work like the ninja/samuri/anti-paladin in that way.

No.

In some cases, it explicitly states they do count (Arcane Bloodline Bloodrager counts as fighter for several feat pre-reqs). If it doesn't say it in the class, it does not count.

But a bloodrager is not a fighter, they are a barbarian/sorcerer. So unless it's specifically called out, I don't see why they couldn't take any feat that requires levels in barbarian or sorcerer, as long as they meet all other requirements.

[Lyee]

Some Random Dood wrote:

But a bloodrager is not a fighter, they are a barbarian/sorcerer. So unless it's specifically called out, I don't see why they couldn't take any feat that requires levels in barbarian or sorcerer, as long as they meet all other requirements.

This is what I get for posting at 2am.

Reading http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/alternate-classes seems to imply they do count. Then again, the book doesn't say that these 'are' alternate classes of the two it mixes, only that it has 'an alternate class entry'. And then refers to 'alternate classes in its entry' instead of 'its alternate classes'. It might be saying that they are not, in fact, alternate classes for this purpose, or they might be using the same words to mean something different. (In the same way a Bloodrager uses Bloodline to mean something that isn't a Sorcerer Bloodline, and is not interchangeable, despite identical names).

So, wait for clarification I guess. They have no class-specific feats, so it'd probably be kind to them to let them at the other classes feats for now.

[CRobledo]

This is probably most important for Weapon spec and G weapon focus purposes for the new fighter/X hybrids.

[anarchitect]

It also matters for the Brawler and feats that require "BAB +X, or monk level Y"

[Alleran]

Does this also count for, say, the Arcanist? Because there are some feats out there that require prepared casting or spontaneous casting - the Arcanist is sort of a mix of both (since it prepares a spontaneously cast list).

[The black raven]

Way I see it, it would be unfair if the hybrid does not count as both his alternate classes, given that multiclassing with them is forbidden.

[Protoman]

The swashbuckler's daring-do deed does specifically state signature deed can't be applied to it, suggesting a swashbuckler could pick that "gunslinger level 11" feat eventually for a different deed.

I'm hoping though that panache gets some wording later that states it counts as grit for feat or ability pre-requisites.

[The black raven]

Ouch. Just saw in the Arcanist that "the arcanist counts as a wizard for the purposes
of this feat" (Spell Mastery as a bonus feat).

Which greatly suggests that the arcanist does not count as a wizard otherwise :-(

[pluvia33]

Yeah, Swashbuckler under the Bonus Feats section also says, "Swashbuckler levels are considered fighter levels for the purpose of meeting combat feat prerequisites."

Personally, I think there should just be some kind of blanket rule saying that hybrid classes count as their alternate classes for prerequisites and such, especially with the multiclass restrictions.

[CRobledo]

From my local PFS chapter, this seems to be the #1 question right now.

[Aeshuura]

Brawler has been updated in the discussion thread to count as Monk and Fighter for the purposes of qualifying for feats.

[Sean K Reynolds]

We posted an update that brawler levels count as fighter and monk for the purpose of qualifying for feats (see the sticky OP in the brawler thread).

Edit: Ninja'd by Aeshuura.

[Ellias Aubec]

So are we to take then that this knocks on for all the new classes, that they count as their alternates? Otherwise would seem wierd that one does and the other 9 don't.

[Matthew Trent]

What about Warpriest? Does it count as fighter and cleric?

[The black raven]

From what I have seen in both the document and the updates, counting as one of the alternate classes in any way or shape is always spelled out clearly.

Which means that unless written otherwise, the hybrids do NOT count as their alternate classes.

[dunelord3001]

I think you are right BR, but it needs to be spelled out.